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11-27-2018, 09:31 PM | #32 | |
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11-28-2018, 07:06 AM | #33 | |
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11-29-2018, 05:22 PM | #34 |
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I think we all may be missing something important about these discussions, particularly when discussing religions we have here, ie Christianity. In ITL, there is a suggestion to model it on the Catholic church of the Middle Ages or Reformation. True enough, but it lacks something. Near as I can tell, based upon the limited information in ITL, the Christians who were brought to Cidri have been dead for several centuries. In the absence of their headquarters, the Vatican, and in the presence of Mnoren rulers with magical and technological advances and in a world where magic is both real and present, what changes might that have had on the faith and the role of its priests and holy chivalric orders. Now throw in the thought that the Mnoren or some other group, possibly the Wizards Guild or some other agency, decided to tamper with them and turn their focus toward certain abilities. Maybe the wizards realized that certain creatures, among them the Undead, might become a real threat and what could be a better joke than to turn those pious, self righteous Christians into an order of military clerics and fighters and let them do most of the dying.
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11-29-2018, 05:55 PM | #35 |
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I should say that you have to make the religion before saying why priests exist. It seems to me that Catholic priests exist to conduct rites that they are distinctly authorized to perform. Jews do not have priests anymore because they do not perform sacrifices anymore and perhaps the closest equiv among them is the corporate authority of a Minyan.
In fact as Mass is a mystical or symbolic (depending on who you ask) sacrifice, arguably the purpose of priests is to preside over sacrifices. A lot of the problem too is that anthropologists tend to transliterate into familiar terms when talking of religion. I am not sure you can really say Buddhists have Monks. Only that they have contemplative confraternities strikingly similar to monks.
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11-29-2018, 06:14 PM | #36 | |
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I guess what I see as the problem here is the expectations of the Talent Entry. If Priest and Theologian were placed under the Mundane Talent heading, I think there would be lower expectations of what it would do. But because it is in the broader Talent entry that give other talents specific mechanical benefits, players are expecting more. Quote:
Perhaps the reason that Priest and Theologian were placed under the regular Talents with the comment of the GM could make religion 'effective' is to give the GM the idea that he could manipulate his game that way if he wanted to.
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12-02-2018, 04:20 PM | #39 |
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Yeah, but there's a difference between using religion with obvious real-world influences and parallels vs. trying to stick an actual real-world religion into a fantasy setting. Never could understand SJ's reasoning for that.
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I am actually working toward the use of those ideas to introduce a religious fighter and priest that are part of an effective religion, in game terms. This is an idea that is heresy to many on these forums. Others have been making their own attempts to resolve the issue. My last post simply was an attempt to say that whatever your, my or anyone else's opinion, the Christian (Catholic) religion that was transplanted to Cidri has had several hundred years of isolation to mutate into a new form more suitable to its environment. |
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