Puckle Gun: What skill to use?

Tinman · 07-11-2016, 10:26 AM

The Puckle Gun in Pyramid 3-52 Low-Tech II (p.20-22) is an interesting weapon.
However, the table on page 19, which would usually list the skill used does not.

The weapon is basicly a large tripod mounted musket. So does it use Guns (Musket) or does it use Gunner (Cannon) because it's tripod mounted?

Any help or insight is appreceated.
Thx.

The Colonel · 07-11-2016, 10:37 AM

Gunner - since it's a mounted weapon. Just like a GPMG is Guns in light role and Gunner on a sustained mount.

...if you can hand fire one on the other hand*, feel free to add a Guns speciality.

* if, for example youze ectually gots a clenk gon ... or just happen to possess a positive size modifier and appropriate STR.

Ulzgoroth · 07-11-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Colonel

Gunner - since it's a mounted weapon. Just like a GPMG is Guns in light role and Gunner on a sustained mount.

Gunner (Machine Gun), specifically, I'd think.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Colonel

...if you can hand fire one on the other hand*, feel free to add a Guns speciality.

* if, for example youze ectually gots a clenk gon ... or just happen to possess a positive size modifier and appropriate STR.

Generally, that'd be Guns (LMG).

Cthugha · 07-11-2016, 03:22 PM

It uses Guns(Musket). At least according to Low-Tech (the book, not the Pyramid issue). IDHMBWM but it was in the table with other muskets and arquebuses - look it up.

The Colonel · 07-12-2016, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Gunner (Machine Gun), specifically, I'd think.

Generally, that'd be Guns (LMG).

Wasn't sure of the exact specificity - would it really be (Machine Gun), given that it really isn't? It's barely even a manually driven repeater like a Gardner or Bira gun...

Tinman · 07-12-2016, 02:38 AM

As Cthuga has stated above, according to Low-Tech it uses "Guns (Musket)".
It seems odd as it is mounted on a tripod. Since it's TL4 I don't want to introduce skills like machinegun that are TL5. However I am thinking of using "Gunner (Cannon)".

HANS · 07-12-2016, 02:51 AM

The correct skill is Gunner/TL4 (Cannon).

It is not Gunner (Machine Gun), since the weapon cannot fire bursts (p. B198).
It is not Guns (Musket), since the weapon is not handheld (p. B199).

Low-Tech is in error.

Cheers

HANS

Varyon · 07-12-2016, 12:29 PM

I think the real question in determining what skill something uses is how it's used. The Puckle Gun is pretty clearly not designed to be used like a rifle, and honestly more closely resembles a cannon than a personal firearm. A wall gun, on the other hand, while typically being mounted on account of their high weight (and exceptional recoil), is clearly used much like a musket on a musket rest. So, the Puckle Gun would use Gunner (Cannon), the wall gun would use Guns (Musket) - or Guns (Long Arm) if using the condensed list of specialties from Pyramid #3/65.

Ulzgoroth · 07-12-2016, 01:14 PM

Yeah, I was mistakenly thinking it was rapid firing by modern, rather than Low Tech, standards. Gunner (Cannon) with Guns (Musket) for a handheld version seems good.

07-11-2016, 10:26 AM	#1
Tinman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York City	Puckle Gun: What skill to use? The Puckle Gun in Pyramid 3-52 Low-Tech II (p.20-22) is an interesting weapon. However, the table on page 19, which would usually list the skill used does not. The weapon is basicly a large tripod mounted musket. So does it use Guns (Musket) or does it use Gunner (Cannon) because it's tripod mounted? Any help or insight is appreceated. Thx.

07-11-2016, 10:37 AM	#2
The Colonel Join Date: Jul 2006	Re: Puckle Gun: What skill to use? Gunner - since it's a mounted weapon. Just like a GPMG is Guns in light role and Gunner on a sustained mount. ...if you can hand fire one on the other hand, feel free to add a Guns speciality. if, for example youze ectually gots a clenk gon ... or just happen to possess a positive size modifier and appropriate STR.

07-11-2016, 03:22 PM	#4
Cthugha Join Date: Jun 2016	Re: Puckle Gun: What skill to use? It uses Guns(Musket). At least according to Low-Tech (the book, not the Pyramid issue). IDHMBWM but it was in the table with other muskets and arquebuses - look it up.

07-12-2016, 02:38 AM	#6
Tinman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York City	Re: Puckle Gun: What skill to use? As Cthuga has stated above, according to Low-Tech it uses "Guns (Musket)". It seems odd as it is mounted on a tripod. Since it's TL4 I don't want to introduce skills like machinegun that are TL5. However I am thinking of using "Gunner (Cannon)".

07-12-2016, 02:51 AM	#7
HANS Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Berlin, Germany	Re: Puckle Gun: What skill to use? The correct skill is Gunner/TL4 (Cannon). It is not Gunner (Machine Gun), since the weapon cannot fire bursts (p. B198). It is not Guns (Musket), since the weapon is not handheld (p. B199). Low-Tech is in error. Cheers HANS __________________ I blog at Shooting Dice.

07-12-2016, 12:29 PM	#8
Varyon Join Date: Jun 2013	Re: Puckle Gun: What skill to use? I think the real question in determining what skill something uses is how it's used. The Puckle Gun is pretty clearly not designed to be used like a rifle, and honestly more closely resembles a cannon than a personal firearm. A wall gun, on the other hand, while typically being mounted on account of their high weight (and exceptional recoil), is clearly used much like a musket on a musket rest. So, the Puckle Gun would use Gunner (Cannon), the wall gun would use Guns (Musket) - or Guns (Long Arm) if using the condensed list of specialties from Pyramid #3/65.

07-12-2016, 01:14 PM	#9
Ulzgoroth Join Date: Jul 2008	Re: Puckle Gun: What skill to use? Yeah, I was mistakenly thinking it was rapid firing by modern, rather than Low Tech, standards. Gunner (Cannon) with Guns (Musket) for a handheld version seems good. __________________ I don't know any 3e, so there is no chance that I am talking about 3e rules by accident.