VERY VERY rare situation! Ruling needed badly!

reedchar · 03-01-2020, 11:33 PM

While playing a round of Munchkin Marvel Edition, Player A was level 9 and Player B was level 7. Player A (9) was currently losing to a higher leveled monster, and player B(7) decided he was going to help Player A(9) defeat the monster, which if no other cards were played, would have ended the game.

Player B (7) argued that his objective was to force other players to play hand cards that would increase the monsters level, thus forcing them to lose hand cards that could be used on Player B (7) at later stages of the game. Player B(7) had good information that other players had enough hand cards to help the monster, but was not 100% sure.

A different player argued that this cannot be done simply because Player B(7) is in the action of helping Player A(9) win the game, and it is counter intuitive to the objective of the game (to win and to have other players lose). This player argued that all players had an obligation to stop any level 9 players who were about to win the game.

Player B(7) argues that his intent was not to have the other player win the game, but to force other players to waste cards that wouldn't be used on him in the future.

Does Player B(7) not have an obligation to try and stop a level 9 player from winning? Or can Player B(7) help a level 9 player get to the winning level, forcing all other players at the table to use monster-helping cards?

I know this is a lot of text, but what is the ruling on this?

Andrew Hackard · 03-02-2020, 06:11 AM

Did A accept B's help? If so, then I don't see any problem with the play. It's unorthodox and risky, but it's not against the rules.

Rasputin · 03-03-2020, 03:27 PM

I must say that player B is very munchkin and I wish I had thought of doing something like what he pulled. Did it work?

arnej · 03-04-2020, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by reedchar

A different player argued that this cannot be done simply because Player B(7) is in the action of helping Player A(9) win the game, and it is counter intuitive to the objective of the game (to win and to have other players lose). This player argued that all players had an obligation to stop any level 9 players who were about to win the game.

This guy is wrong. Player B is just playing a longer game.

03-01-2020, 11:33 PM	#1
reedchar Join Date: Mar 2020	VERY VERY rare situation! Ruling needed badly! While playing a round of Munchkin Marvel Edition, Player A was level 9 and Player B was level 7. Player A (9) was currently losing to a higher leveled monster, and player B(7) decided he was going to help Player A(9) defeat the monster, which if no other cards were played, would have ended the game. Player B (7) argued that his objective was to force other players to play hand cards that would increase the monsters level, thus forcing them to lose hand cards that could be used on Player B (7) at later stages of the game. Player B(7) had good information that other players had enough hand cards to help the monster, but was not 100% sure. A different player argued that this cannot be done simply because Player B(7) is in the action of helping Player A(9) win the game, and it is counter intuitive to the objective of the game (to win and to have other players lose). This player argued that all players had an obligation to stop any level 9 players who were about to win the game. Player B(7) argues that his intent was not to have the other player win the game, but to force other players to waste cards that wouldn't be used on him in the future. Does Player B(7) not have an obligation to try and stop a level 9 player from winning? Or can Player B(7) help a level 9 player get to the winning level, forcing all other players at the table to use monster-helping cards? I know this is a lot of text, but what is the ruling on this?

03-02-2020, 06:11 AM	#2
Andrew Hackard *Munchkin* Line Editor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin, TX	Re: VERY VERY rare situation! Ruling needed badly! Did A accept B's help? If so, then I don't see any problem with the play. It's unorthodox and risky, but it's not against the rules. __________________ Andrew Hackard, *Munchkin* Line Editor If you have a question that isn't getting answered, we have a thread for that. Let people like what they like. Don't be a gamer hater. #PlayMunchkin on social media: Twitter \|\| Facebook \|\| Instagram \|\| YouTube Follow us on Kickstarter: Steve Jackson Games and Warehouse 23

03-03-2020, 03:27 PM	#3
Rasputin Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA	Re: VERY VERY rare situation! Ruling needed badly! I must say that player B is very munchkin and I wish I had thought of doing something like what he pulled. Did it work? __________________ Cura isto securi, Eugene. My GURPS blog.