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Re: Is TS optimistic or pessimistic?
Canon is very consistent about biosophonts drastically underestimating LAIs outside the Caliphate. They're not given sapient rights even in most jurisdictions which give them to SAIs, and not trusted with tasks SAIs and bioroids are. Even though the only serious argument against LAIs is that they're (very high-functioning) autists. And those are still considered persons if they're human in most jurisdictions, and trusted with tasks that don't require people skills. IOW, the reason they're not replacing bioroids seems to be memetic more than performance-based.
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02-02-2018, 01:35 AM | #13 | |
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02-04-2018, 09:36 PM | #15 |
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Any significant upgrade in rocketry would solve that too.
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Note that old SF often used to be fairly realistic about this, in pre-Apollo days. A favorite example of mine was the old movie Forbidden Planet, in which the introduction says that 'men and women' first reached the Moon in the last decade of the 21C, then interplanetary and interstellar travel followed relatively shortly. Apollo brought about that event over a century earlier, and for a while led to a wave of SF that assumed large-scale space flight was coming much sooner than used to be the common assumption. But the thinking behind the more pessimistic estimates was actually sound. Absent the special-case politics of Apollo, it's likely that manned travel to the Moon might very well have first come in the mid-21C or later.
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Did you really want to use"realistic" with "and interstellar travel followed relatively shortly"? ;) |
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02-04-2018, 11:43 PM | #19 |
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Miracle material almost certainly lets you build miracle engine, likely easier than building a beanstalk.
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02-04-2018, 11:55 PM | #20 | |
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We don't know what technology is assumed to have been used to achieve Lunar flight in the 2090s, or enabled interplanetary travel and star flight shortly thereafter. The 2100s are far enough in the future from the 1950s (when the movie was made) that it's not problematic, in comparison to the space flight of THS using nearly current-day launch methods. The 'realistic' part was the distant advent of major space flight. The gap between 1956 (which IIRC is when Forbidden Planet came out), and 2100 is as big as the gap between 1956 and 1810. In 1810, the first crude locomotives were being constructed, and rail travel had yet to be made practical. The standard means of land transport was animal power, the standard means of sea travel was wind sailing. Communications were at the speed of a horse or a sail ship. The instantaneous communication of the telegraph was still over 20 years in the future. The repeating rifle did not yet exist. Yet ~130 years later, an airplane dropped a bomb that destroyed an entire city in one blast, and world-wide communications were taking place at the speed of light. If a capability gap as great as the difference between 1810 and 1956 lay between 1956 and 2100, the planets and stars would not be that big a credibility issue.
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