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Old 05-05-2010, 06:52 AM   #11
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I've generally rolled against Sex Appeal or default Erotic Art, if nobody critically fails, everybody had fun. An ordinary reaction roll could work too, though humans are hard wired for this to be fun, if you are trying in the first place, you have to mess up pretty badly to get a result worse than neutral.
How optimistic of you. :)
You know, really, screwups happen, from both sides. And they're not the triple-crits that NOD explosions are . . .
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Old 05-05-2010, 06:53 AM   #12
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I've had the question of what the middle ground is. I mean there's Sex Appeal for flirting and Erotic Arts for "advanced sexual technique" but what if you just want to know if your partner had a good time? I imagine the Erotic Arts skill might actually frighten off less worldly partners.
I agree with what you say.

I 'd say:

Working girls/boys: Sex appeal to attract customer. Acting, Diplomacy and Body language to give the customer a good time to get the mto come back.

Porn Stars:
Sex appeal and Acting.

Normal people: Sex Appeal and Body Language and Erotic Art.
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:06 AM   #13
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Porn Stars: Sex appeal and Acting.
I think that's Performance rather than Acting. Though, since porn stars are notorious for their inability to act, one might contemplate a "presentation" version of Erotic Art, just as there are versions of combat skills which are designed for aesthetic appeal rather than effectiveness. Call it "Erotic Art Art."
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:20 AM   #14
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I'd say High paid call girls and courtesans probably do have erotic art. As well as sex appeal, Diplomacy, Performance, Body Language. They also need advantages like: fashion sense.

I had a friend who actually worked as one in Canada (where it's legal btw) to get through college... The biggest tippers were the people that expect a paid piece of arm candy to have 'special' skills in bed and out...
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:36 AM   #15
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I think that's Performance rather than Acting. Though, since porn stars are notorious for their inability to act, one might contemplate a "presentation" version of Erotic Art, just as there are versions of combat skills which are designed for aesthetic appeal rather than effectiveness. Call it "Erotic Art Art."
Good point, had forget about Performance. I think HT is also a must. Fit helps a lot here.

Actually one might default casual sex to Carousing.
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:42 AM   #16
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I recall Kromm stating once that even most "ordinary people" porn stars (who probably have more than 200 hours of "training") probably don't even have one point in it.
In this post he defines Erotic Art quite well, I think.

The premise of that thread is actually quite similar to this one here, so it might be worth reading ... (I haven't done it yet, though.)

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Old 05-05-2010, 09:31 AM   #17
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Working girls/boys: Sex appeal to attract customer. Acting, Diplomacy and Body language to give the customer a good time to get the mto come back.
I reservedly agree. Acting, Diplomacy and Body Language to flatter the customer and make it fun, which is arguably the most important part of the job; Erotic Art for the techniques to maximise climax and to achieve it in the shortest time.

I would suspect that most prostitutes, like most porn stars, don't need it: the typical john only really requires a basic "insert tab A into slot B" service, so no technical skill is required. However, the trained skill to make said service as effective and stimulating as possible definitely comes under Erotic Art, and those working girls/boys who have invested points in it can provide a more expensive service that gets the highest-paying customers coming back.

Looking at Kromm's post, my thoughts are that the distinction between your LTR partner's ability to stimulate you and a sex-professional's ability to stimulate you is that your partner has learned with you, figuring out by experiment and communication what it is that works best for the two of you together; this could arguably be represented (if - God forbid - it required modelling in any roleplaying game) by a familiarity bonus to the default roll. A skilled professional knows the techniques that work best for everyone, in a detailed and impersonal way, and can quickly identify the best techniques for any subject, because she/he has learned them in a disciplined way.

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Old 05-05-2010, 09:35 AM   #18
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(I haven't done it yet, though.)
Read the thread? ;)
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Old 05-05-2010, 09:38 AM   #19
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I think that's Performance rather than Acting. Though, since porn stars are notorious for their inability to act, one might contemplate a "presentation" version of Erotic Art, just as there are versions of combat skills which are designed for aesthetic appeal rather than effectiveness. Call it "Erotic Art Art."
I'd say that what porn stars do is covered by the Erotic Art skill, but having watched my fair share of porn, there's a fairly repetitive nature to the content which suggests that the technical sex side of porn is undemanding.

Judging from what's available, it seems that porn-watchers don't want to see a range of interestingly different sex acts; they're after variety in the performers and setting. Most low-end porn stars probably get by with default rolls.
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Old 05-05-2010, 09:40 AM   #20
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successful use on another character probably ought to give you bonuses to Influence skills (and mind control magic) against that same character for some time afterwards.

Getting mildly cinematic about it, you could probably use it to inflict penalties to all the subject's skill and attribute rolls for a day or two. Or even bonuses (self-confidence is a wonderful thing).
These are both really good. Even if they're more cinematic than realistic (I don't know if Mythbusters has ever tackled this; I'd be fascinated to see how you research it), there's a rich vein of literature about the king enslaved by the courtesan, or the wealthy plutocrat redeemed by the humble whore, or so on. Good material for adventuring.
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