04-10-2013, 08:35 PM | #1 |
Join Date: Aug 2008
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How to avoid broadcasting Choir/Band
I just had the oddest thing happen just now
Someone knew that the lilim in disguise they were talking to was a Lilim without mention of anything explicitly Celestial. Any idea how to Make things more subtle. |
04-10-2013, 10:41 PM | #2 |
Petitioner: Word of IN Filk
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Longmont, CO
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Re: How to avoid broadcasting Choir/Band
Two words: Don't Push.
With a Lilim, it's easy to be too aggressive. After all, they're the classic deal-with-the-devil package ... figure out what they Need, sell it back to 'em and call in the hook. But if you start pushing -- overly curious, overly helpful -- it can be obvious who's on the other end of the line. Have the Lilim be a friendly girl-next-door. Or shy. Or even someone who needs help out of a bit of trouble, who seems vulnerable. Engage in ordinary conversation and let it go where they will. Most people, in talking with a friendly acquaintance, will mention a thousand minor issues they're having in their life. DON'T immediately jump on it unless it's something relatively small and innocuous that anyone would do (it's probably safe to grab a beer for someone who's just been working six hours in the summer sun), but save up opportunities for later, or look for ways to fulfill their Need behind the scenes. The subtle Lilim is a long-term worker. Win trust, seem friendly, be helpful in the way a friend's helpful, not in the way a genie is. And unless you want the players to figure it out fast, don't take a Role name that means "Freedom." One other thing may help. Every so often, I ask my players to give me a list of Needs for their character, from least to most vital, in case they do run into a Tempter or a Gifter. That way, when they do cross paths, I don't have to roll and ask "So, by the way, if you had a CD4 Need, what would it be?"
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04-10-2013, 10:44 PM | #3 |
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04-10-2013, 10:51 PM | #4 | |
Petitioner: Word of IN Filk
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Re: How to avoid broadcasting Choir/Band
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This goes for other Choirs, too. Plenty of people can be fast-talking liars without being Balseraphs, or hyperactive ADD cases without being Ofanim, or smooth and friendly without being a Mercurian OR an Impudite. Detailed descriptions of a scene help a lot, especially if you routine employ mundane "color" details. That way, you can slip one in that becomes important later. Early in our Madison campaign, an attractive female angel got onto a crowded bus to avoid a rainstorm; in the press, she felt someone cop a feel. She rolled her eyes, figuring it was one more bit of living in a college town ... and only later found out it was a Djinn putting his tag on her.
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04-11-2013, 04:12 AM | #5 |
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Re: How to avoid broadcasting Choir/Band
I'll second that. If you don't want your players to catch on an NPCs Choir or Band, subtlety is the key.
As might be misdirections - not by the GM himself, but in-character. I once sprang an Impudite - of Dark Humor - on them, that was neither suave nor well-dressed. He was rather rough, but apparently fun to hang around with for his - entirely mundane - acquaintances. In the end, the players settled for him to be either just an irksome mundane or a not too-devoted-to-the-cause Infernal Soldier. One of them wondered for a few moments if he was a weak, but surprisingly social Djinn. Had they investigated a little more thoroughly, they'd found out that he was fun to hang around with because he made people laugh often. And if they had followed that clue further, they'd found out that they laughed about his silly jokes and pranks. Being rough people themselves, his acquaintances found nothing wrong with some jokes meaning actual bodily harm to other people. (The mutilating "jokes" he did secretly, of course.) That might have given them an inkling to what he really was. So, they just wondered why he panicked when three of them - whom he knew to be angels - wanted information from him and why he attacked and fought like a literal devil to escape when it appeared they had cornered him. He even managed to do that. But then the Cherub of War found him. In hindsight, it might not have been that big a misdirection. But still, it was sufficient. M.
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04-11-2013, 09:04 AM | #6 | |
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Location: Boston, MA
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Re: How to avoid broadcasting Choir/Band
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I had this issue myself, introducing so many demons and angels, and so few humans, that players came to just expect everybody they met was celestial. As part of my own personal mission to change that up and introduce some more surprises, I threw them a Soldier of Hell who was a police officer on a mission where they were told NOT to create any disturbance or injure any humans ... and they killed him with impunity. It was a real learning experience. :) |
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04-11-2013, 09:55 AM | #7 |
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Re: How to avoid broadcasting Choir/Band
Curious... any task a Lilim can ask of someone she's trying NOT to burn out on ever doing business with her again, (or who shes just the least bit fond of) other then "Let me cut ahead of you in line" to angels "Destory X pesky demon"
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04-11-2013, 11:33 AM | #8 | |
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Re: How to avoid broadcasting Choir/Band
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"Could I get a wee bit of Essence?" "I just need enough cash to catch a cab." "Introduce me to your cute friend!" "Hold this door open for me for a sec, would you?" (Hopefully not for a bank robbery.) |
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04-11-2013, 03:18 PM | #9 |
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Location: Ventura CA
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Re: How to avoid broadcasting Choir/Band
It's a good general rule any time in any game you notice that the Players are picking up clues that the Characters could not because they aren't getting any false positives. If that starts happening it's time to throw in some red herrings every now and then.
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04-11-2013, 04:41 PM | #10 | |
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Re: How to avoid broadcasting Choir/Band
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"Think about how much what you just said would have hurt me, if I was human." "Don't pay me back the ten bucks; give it to somebody who needs it instead." "I don't care if it's personal! You're a Mercurian! Let the Malakite go fight the demon!" "Let me stay out late for a change. I need to develop my Role." "Please let me go to Mom's party!" (she cashed in a Geas/6 for that one, and it kicked off a major plot development)
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