Multiple attacks with Staff?

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Vynticator

Thanks for the replies. I am trying to avoid cinematic rules, so Trained by a Master and 'Powers' may be out of bounds.

the additional enhancements and limitations in powers are not necessarily more or less cinematic, they are simply ideas that where 'missed' in Basic Set.

[Kuroshima]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

It's not really equivalent. With Extra Attack (Multistrike) he could attack three times (-0/-6/-6) with a Rapid Strike.

And the real benefit is that he can turn that unpenalized attack into a full skill feint, and then hit with the rapid strikes

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

And the real benefit is that he can turn that unpenalized attack into a full skill feint, and then hit with the rapid strikes

Yeah this, and you combine the fact that you have a superior parrying bonus and you can get *really* nasty defensive-offensive combos.

Ghostdancer

[Figleaf23]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

You need the Multistrike enhancement from GURPS Powers p 49 to use Extra Attack with the same weapon.

I'm wondering if something like a staff, with sort of two separate striking portions (each end), and other single two-threat weapons (like the Qian Kun Ri Yue Dao) shouldn't be an exception to the requiremnt for Multistrike.

[Trachmyr]

Some useful rules from MA:
Parrying with Two-Handed Weapons (pg.123)
Combinations (pg.80)*
Slams with Long Weapons (pg.112)
You should also be familiar with the Defensive Grip rules (pg.111)

Check out the section on "Double-Bladed Swords" in LTC2 (pg.18), that mention a cross-check like a Dual Attack. Althoough this is a very cinematic option.

Don't Forget about the Perk: "Extra Option" in PU2 (pg.20) that might allow you to use some of these rules (i.e., Parrying with Two-Handed Weapons) if not normally available by the GM.

*I generally allow Staff Combination to benefit from the Two-Handed Combinations rule provided points are put into it, but that's a Houserule

[Rasmus Wagner]

Originally Posted by Vynticator

Thanks for the replies. I am trying to avoid cinematic rules, so Trained by a Master and 'Powers' may be out of bounds.

Just seems odd that you're better off with the staff cut into two clubs. Then you can Rapid Strike with one hand *and* get the extra attack from the other.

Nope. Rapid Strike *or* Dual-Weapon Attack, never both.

[Vynticator]

Rasmus, I think you've misunderstood the thread. I'm using Extra Attack with Ambidexterity. B54 explicitly permits one of the attacks to use a Rapid Strike, giving -0/-6/-6.

Thanks again to everyone for the help and links.

[Kuroshima]

BTW, on the subject of DWA with a staff, I would allow them, BUT:

• The attacks must be done at reach 1 (modified by SM of course), as you are gripping the staff in the middle
• The attacks must be made against different targets, and both of them must be in the front arc
• The attacks must use the swing line, not the thrust one
• The off hand attack still takes the -4 penalty unless you have ambidexterity or off hand weapon training

[Lamech]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

It's not really equivalent. With Extra Attack (Multistrike) he could attack three times (-0/-6/-6) with a Rapid Strike.

But presumably his skill wasn't high enough to be effective at -6. Plus it has the added benefit of parry, and high skill that can be transmuted into good targeting, deceptive attack and the like.

[B9anders]

Originally Posted by Figleaf23

I'm wondering if something like a staff, with sort of two separate striking portions (each end), and other single two-threat weapons (like the Qian Kun Ri Yue Dao) shouldn't be an exception to the requiremnt for Multistrike.

given that the Qian Kun Ri Yue Dao is an exception I am not sure why other staff weapons shouldn't be as well.