12-04-2012, 06:23 PM | #21 |
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In their personal lives, sure.
Invoking their official powers to induce someone to commit an act which would be illegal under circumstances other than those which they state are in existence? Nope, not even a little. The question of whether police are allowed to lie at all in the course of their official duties is an interesting one. The tendency in Iceland has been to say that deliberate deception as an enforcement strategy is not desirable except as the result of a court order, which obviously limits undercover work considerably. It would be too much to say that Icelandic courts forbid police from using untruths in the course of their duties, but I could not advice a police officer to rely on any such authority in court, if his untruths had caused someone harm. It's to a great extent unresolved in Icelandic law whether a policeman who lies to suspects or other civilians at the scene of an incident would be be perceived as having been carrying out his duties or to have deviated from them to such an extent as to be personally responsible for any harm that resulted. I'd lean toward 'no', but it's not completely certain. In some extreme cases, the officer may also be criminally liable. I'm fairly sure that the state would be financially liable in any case and the officer would be administratively punished, probably discharged, if his untruths were designed to induce citizens to break the law or act contrary to their own safety or significant legal interests.
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12-04-2012, 07:03 PM | #22 |
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That is really fascinating. I can see how that would make their job much tougher, but have the benefit of making the badge far more trustworthy.
I guess I'm still too amerocentric and forget that even my most basic assumptions about law don't apply to even very similar nations.
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12-04-2012, 08:09 PM | #23 | |
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To an American that probably seems freakish. |
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12-04-2012, 08:30 PM | #24 | |
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Today, I expect anyone setting up something similar would use key-cards of some sort. Of course, I suspect a modern security system would make heavy use of video rather than physical patrol, raising the question of how to ensure that the watchman is actually paying attention to the monitors. |
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12-05-2012, 12:59 AM | #25 | |
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Unfortunately for them, they had missed one TINY detail -- Big Mike (my partner) and I had just come on duty less than an hour before.
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to enter and turn during each visit to the business in question. However, we did not have to keep any kind of record, only to write a report in the case of an "event". Quote:
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12-24-2012, 10:48 PM | #27 | |
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GrouchyChris, that incident sounds like it might work best with Pinkerton Security. One of my jobs was at an answering service; Pinkerton was a client, and we often took calls from their agents. They were rather infamous in the area for ineptitude, to the point that when someone screwed up at the service, our usual response was, "Well, Pinkerton's hiring!"
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12-24-2012, 11:42 PM | #28 |
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I can't remember which state. But it didn't make the illegal order legal. The court determined that it wasn't the right of the citizen to determine the legality of an officer's order, but the courts.
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12-25-2012, 07:32 AM | #29 | |
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Nowadays, I think maybe RFID or some sort of short-range wi-fi check may be more likely. Or even just GPS if the "circuit" the security guard has to walk is long enough to be visible on a GPS map. |
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Used* to work for what is now called City Rail, in the NSW SRA, as a station assistant at Wynyard Station in Sydney. The 10:30pm to 6:30am shift was different.
We would make announcements that the last train for each line was leaving, and that the station would then be locked up. Normally this resulted in an exodus from the station of our population of itinerant street people, but not always. One of the head station assistants used to run the station after hours as a defacto refuge. When she was on, we would get this stream of very odd people into the station. So you'd end up with this mix of very tired and emotional middle class folk on their way back to Sydney's North Shore, and society's demographic detritus. Once we had cleared the station of the transitory moneyed riff raff, my colleague would make the following announcement: Quote:
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The best bit, was my colleague's final announcement, usually around 5:15am ( a wee bit before the first train of the morn): Quote:
Played a lot of acoustic guitar. Read a lot of Runequest and Call of Cthulhu on that job. Miss working with my colleague, she was a good egg. Taught the younger me a lot about stress management and the gentle arts of respect and hospitality. *Like 30 years ago ** This was before they were fixed to the ground with retaining bolts. In retrospect, I am surprised that we did not get more thrown on the tracks by yobbos. *** Which was invariably caused, not by them, but by the more monied folk from across the bridge
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