DR Hardened Beyond Divisor (1)

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Nedorus

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The steps are listed to be

• “ignores DR”
• 100
• 10
• 5
• 3
• 2
• 1 (no divisor)

Fractions aren't on that list. There's a reason for this.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Nedorus

I think I like the idea of caping the lowest end of hardened to (2) in a "military-focused TL 8-9 where AP/APHC are common" campaign.

This is a simple way to do it since the idea of Hardened vs. Armor Divisor modifiers only really start to matter when you regularly have Armor Piercing/Hollow Point Ammo for small arms at TL6. It becomes even more important for Composite (or other high tech/ultratech modifications) Armor vs. HEAT, APDS, and other ammo with serious Armor Divisors which start to appear at TL6 and become commonplace at TL7+.

Allowing anything more than Armor Divisor (5) for TL8- small arms ammo is cinematic, while allowing anything more than Hardened (5) vs. HEAT, etc. (effectively DR with the Hardened enhancement, but Limited limitation) is cinematic for personal armor.

If you're mixing magic & high tech, you might also consider variants of the Puissance enchantment which give Armor Divisors and variants of Fortify which give levels of Hardened.

[Nedorus]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

If you're mixing magic & high tech, you might also consider variants of the Puissance enchantment which give Armor Divisors and variants of Fortify which give levels of Hardened.

Are you referring to the spells by those names from Magic (i.e. M65 and M66 respectively)? If so, I don't see and armor divisor / hardened in those.

Or are there traits (advantages/abilities) by those names that I may have overlooked?

[Rupert]

Originally Posted by Nedorus

Are you referring to the spells by those names from Magic (i.e. M65 and M66 respectively)? If so, I don't see and armor divisor / hardened in those.

Or are there traits (advantages/abilities) by those names that I may have overlooked?

The previous poster got the name wrong. It should be 'Penetrating Weapon' (M63). I don't think there's an enchantment for hardening armour in Magic.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

(effectively DR with the Hardened enhancement, but Limited limitation)

For whatever reason GURPS High-Tech p.229 didn't do it this way, and instead just gives DR multiplier vs. HEAT and doesn't use the Hardened trait directly at all.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Rupert

The previous poster got the name wrong. It should be 'Penetrating Weapon' (M63). I don't think there's an enchantment for hardening armour in Magic.

They meant you should consider creating a spell that does this.

[Nedorus]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

They meant you should consider creating a spell that does this.

Ah, now I understand. Yes, it's on my radar for KI Adept Powers (~_^) ... Probably wont create a spell doing the same though... (⁽͈˙̑⁾˔̉⁽˙̑⁾͈)˚º꒰꒱

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Rupert

The previous poster got the name wrong. It should be 'Penetrating Weapon' (M63). I don't think there's an enchantment for hardening armour in Magic.

This is right. I forgot that the Penetrating Weapon spell existed.

A hypothetical Harden Armor enchantment could easily be based on the Fortify enchantment, with Armor Divisor (1.5, 2, 5, 10, 20, or whatever) corresponding to the costs for +1 to +5 DR. Alternately, start with a base enchantment cost of 100 to 250 energy for AD (1.5) and double the cost for each "step" of AD increase.

[Plane]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Fractions aren't on that list. There's a reason for this.

I think it's unfortunate "Armor Divisor" wasn't just an enhancement but also used as a limitation by using fractions, because "Armor Multiplier" for that limitation would've made a lot more sense to me.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Rupert

). I don't think there's an enchantment for hardening armour in Magic.

There isn't. You might be able to do it temporarily with Path/Book Magic and ISTR something about doing it with an Alchemy variant in Pyramid.

However, as for adapting Penetrating Weapon to higher TLs it already works on Piercing weapons as well as Cutting and Impaling. you just need a variant that includes Burning and maybe even Corrosive. Disintegrators do Corrosive but already ignore armor.