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09-23-2017, 12:56 PM | #1 |
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foci in MtA
Since my first regular session of Mage: The Ascension is eight days from now, I've been doing NPC writeups. And I find that it's a little tricky coming up with plausible sets of foci.
On one hand, you can try to come up with foci that fit the Spheres: hourglasses or pocket watches or electronic oscillators or your own pulse for Time, for example; herbs or beer or animal organs for Life, and so on. On the other hand, doing it that way can produce awfully incoherent lists. You can end up looking like the White Knight's horse, carrying all sort of miscellaneous clutter that you're going to want when you work magic. And the association with the Sphere may not also give you a plausible association with the idea of magic (or of "advanced science"). It really seems as if there ought to be a coherent style of working magic for a character, and the foci ought to be objects that make sense in that style. And ideally they ought also to be objects that fit into the practical task you're going to want to perform. So, for example, I was building an Order of Hermes character who belongs to House Fortunae. And some things work pretty straightforwardly for that: numbers and numerology for Entropy, for one, or counting for Time, or gemstones for Prime. But I had trouble with Mind as something that could fit into either the high formal style of the OoH or the numerical style of Fortunae. I thought of using coins as a focus—coins embody value, and offering someone value gives you insight into their motives—but this seems more like a Syndicate technique than OoH's elaborate ceremonies; and I'm not seeing "I hold up/throw down/fiddle with a gold coin" as having the right look and feel for mind magic, somehow. Nor as fitting in with the other foci I was coming up with for this character's magical style. Have you played M:tA, or GURPS M:tA, or any system that used foci in casting spells? How did you deal with these things?
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09-23-2017, 04:27 PM | #2 |
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Re: foci in MtA
I've played a moderate amount of GURPS M:tA, and it doesn't break if you don't worry about foci. When we've used them, they have tended to be symbolic tools for the task at hand, which I agree is difficult for Mind. For an Order of Hermes mage, you could use the full decanic system from GURPS Thaumatology. It's kind of complex, but adds lots of flavour.
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09-23-2017, 05:21 PM | #3 | |
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Re: foci in MtA
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At this point I don't have a PC who uses anything that formal—a Verbena, two Dreamspeakers, a Romany Euthanatos, and an orphan. But I may want to show them what high ritual magic looks like at some point.
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09-24-2017, 03:59 AM | #4 | |
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Re: foci in MtA
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Roger's suggestions make sense for Mind.
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09-24-2017, 02:14 AM | #5 |
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Re: foci in MtA
The cabalistic system of correspondences tends to lead to a tackle-box full of exotic substances (a dead giveaway if anyone who knows about this stuff searches your luggage), which may not be what Bill's after.
I think that starting with a coherent vision of how the character views magic should generate ideas for foci. High formal Mind: a phrenologist's model head, a representation of Maslow's hierarchy, a copy of How to Win Friends and Influence People. Numerical/probabilistic Mind: anything involving electronic neural networks, a set of NPC reaction dice.
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09-24-2017, 06:27 AM | #6 | |
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So what is the OoH model of the human mind? Are they going off of the four humors with their elemental associations? That would seem to put Life and Mind close together, as those associations also govern physical health. I suppose you might look for herbs and stones and other things that have associations with earth, water, air, or fire? Alternatively, a bridge toward a numerically based view might be Pythagoreanism, and especially its association of mathematics with music, linked to the old concept of harmony as a state of mind. Maybe the adoption of equal temperament was an early Technocratic triumph, one that shifted all harmonies away from the "true" ratios of 3:2, 4:3, 5:3, 5:4, and so on to irrational numbers, and in the process did away with making one tone central to having all twelve tones be equally central. In that case, music with authentic premodern tunings might be a focus for some Hermetics. Early Fortunae might use medieval and Renaissance music as a way to focus the mind.f Looking at the White Wolf Wiki, I see a mention of the idea that Fortunae and the Syndicate oppose each other in that Fortunae emphasizes the spiritual nature of money. Within the metaphysics I've been working with, the Technocratic paradigm is that society determines reality; so the value of money would come from the subjective consensus of society, whether that consensus was on gold or Bank of England notes. But Hermetics in general might favor the idea that value is an intrinsic, objective property, making them inclined to belief in specie being the only true money. In GURPS Thaumatology, the colleges that go with mind seem to be Communication and Empathy, Mind Control, and to a degree Illusion and Creation. That's the decans of Methiax, Maoth, and Ruax. But I'm not seeing much help in the lists of places and materials for those; they seem to have a bit too much of a modern or even postmodern feel.
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09-24-2017, 07:31 AM | #7 |
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Re: foci in MtA
What about items associated with Thoth (idols, ibis feathers, baboon fur), the goetic numerology of Da'at and/or Chokmah, and swords?
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09-24-2017, 08:17 AM | #8 | |
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I'm thinking that the Cabal system actually isn't what I want. Yes, it has an aspect of high ritual magic. But it's also based on the laws of Similarity and Contagion, which were formulated by Frazer, I believe, on the basis of a study of ancient and present-day tribal magical beliefs. That is, at worst, they were a description of hedge magic, and at best of the kind of thing Dreamspeakers might go in for. I don't think the Hermetic tradition actually uses those principles, and a system built up from them for gaming purposes may not be a good fit. I could see adopting the decanic system as a Hermetic formalism, no problem. But if it were used to affect Mind, it seems as if the entire system would be a model of Mind, just as an entire horoscope, alll seven planets and twelve signs, is a model of the person it's cast for.
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09-24-2017, 08:29 AM | #9 |
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Re: foci in MtA
A Christianized kabbalah sepriothic tree was absolutely a thing that existed in Hermetic occultism in the real world, and definitely predates Frazer and certainly GURPS Cabal.
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09-25-2017, 05:18 AM | #10 |
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Re: foci in MtA
How about the products of disciplined thinking as foci for Mind? Dictionaries, books on mathematics and formal logic, collections of poetry, and so on. Euclid's Elements seems especially appropriate.
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