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07-13-2019, 02:23 AM | #1 |
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Character guides
So the thread about Ein? posting was closed because of a tangent.
But the threads over there have some interesting ideas I wanted to talk about here. One guy said it sounded like GURPS requires training wheels because of its complexity in response to character templates. So to the bloggers, lets make some. I'm going to post guidelines for creating characters in GURPS and would like to see a few others do the same and see the different perspectives we can come up with before the next GURPSDay.
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07-13-2019, 08:47 AM | #2 |
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Re: Character guides
My approach is to just give 'em the training wheels. I habitually make my own templates and/or use published ones fitted to every game I run, usually with some playable samples. My usual group has a wide range of play experience and style, including at least one guy who has played for years but almost always takes a sample, so it's not just for the noobs.
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07-13-2019, 10:51 AM | #3 |
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Re: Character guides
Rather than templates, which are fine for players used to GURPS (because they know how things work and, thus, can go very fast with them), for totally beginners, I prefer using character examples, that is, characters for which everything is already chosen and calculated.
Indeed, just look at this example ... Soldier of Fortune 100 points You’re a warrior. You could be a soldier, pirate, knight-errant, gunslinger, street fighter, or guerrilla. Attributes: ST 11 [10]; DX 13 [60]; IQ 11 [20]; HT 11 [10]. Secondary Characteristics: Dmg 1d-1/1d+1; BL 24 lbs.; HP 11 [0]; Will 11 [0]; Per 11 [0]; FP 11 [0]; Basic Speed 6.00 [0]; Basic Move 6 [0]. Advantages: 20 points chosen from among Ambidexterity [5], Charisma 1-4 [5-20], Combat Reflexes [15], Fit or Very Fit [5 or 15], High Pain Threshold [10], Luck [15], Magic Resistance 1-10 [2-20], Outdoorsman 1 [10], Rank 1-4 [5-20], Rapid Healing [5], Reputation [varies], Status 1-4 [5-20], Wealth (Comfortable) [10], +1 to ST or HT [10], +1 to +4 to HP [2-8], and +1 to +4 to Per [5-20]. Disadvantages: -35 points chosen from among Alcoholism [-15], Bad Temper [-10*], Bloodlust [-10*], Code of Honor [-5 to-15], Compulsive Carousing or Spending [-5*], Duty [-2 to -15], Fanaticism [-15], Flashbacks (Mild) [-5], Honesty [-10*], Impulsiveness [-10*], Lecherousness [-15*], Overconfidence [-5*], Sense of Duty Comrades) [-5], and Trademark (Simple) [-5]. Primary Skills: Select two skills from: Beam Weapons (any), Crossbow, or Guns (any), all (E) DX+2 [4]-15; Axe/Mace, Bow, Broadsword, Lance, Rapier, or Spear, all (A) DX+1 [4]-14; Karate (H) DX [4]-13; or Tactics (H) IQ [4]-11. Secondary Skills: Select one skill from: Brawling, Fast-Draw (any), Gunner (any), Knife, or Shield (any), all (E) DX+1 [2]-14; or Artillery (any) or Forward Observer, both (A) IQ [2]-11. Select one skill from: Crewman (any) (E) IQ+1 [2]-12; Driving (any), Environment Suit (any), Piloting (any), Riding (any), all (A) DX [2]-13; Hiking (A) HT [2]-11; or Acrobatics (H) DX-1 [2]-12. Background Skills: First Aid (E) IQ [1]-11. Select two skills from: Camouflage or Savoir-Faire (any), both (E) IQ [1]-11; Carousing or Swimming, both (E) HT [1]-11; Free Fall or Stealth, both (A) DX-1 [1]-12; Electronics Operation (Comm or Sensors), Explosives (any), or Leadership, all (A) IQ-1 [1]-10; or Observation, Survival (any), Tracking, or Urban Survival, all (A) Per-1 [1]-10. *Multiplied for self-control number; see p. 120. ... If you don't already have a very good idea about how GURPS works, it is just a mess! What do all those abbreviations mean? What does every advantage or disadvantage mean? What do the brackets mean? What does those even more esoteric inscriptions like "(A) DX-1 [1]-12" mean? ... And so on ... A newcomer will have to understand all that and, to do so, will ask the GM dozens of questions, just before choosing everything and making the good calculations to fit the good numbers ("20 points chosen from among ...", "-35 points chose from ..."). With a character example like this one things are different ... Deborah Zucker, Medical Expert [100 points] Basic Attributes - Strength: 10 [0] - Dexterity: 10 [0] - Intelligence: 14 [80] - Health: 12 [20] Secondary characteristics - Hit Points: 10 - Will: 14 - Perception: 14 - Fatigue Points: 12 - Basic Damage: 1d-2/1d - Basic Lift: 20 - Basic Speed: 5,5 - Basic Move: 5 - Dodge: 8 - Parry (bare handed): 8 - Block: 6 - Damage Resistance: 0 Advantages - None Disadvantages - Honesty [-10] - Sense of duty: toward all humanity [-15] - Minor vow: vegetarism [-5] Quirks - None Languages - English (natal) [0] Skills - Biology: anatomy (Intelligence -1): 13 [2] - Computer Using (Intelligence +0): 14 [1] - Criminology (Intelligence +1): 15 [4] - Diagnostic (Intelligence +0): 14 [4] - First Aid (Intelligence +1): 15 [2] - Guns: Revolver (Dexterity +0): 10 [1] - Interrogation (Intelligence -1): 13 [1] - Karate (Dexterity +0): 10 [4] - Law : criminal, Oregon (Intelligence -2): 12 [1] - Observation (Intelligence +0): 14 [2] - Research (Intelligence +1): 15 [4] - Running (Health -1): 11 [1] - Surgery (Intelligence -2): 12 [2] - Swimming (Health +0): 12 [1] ... Everything becomes more easy to read and understand. Only a couple of questions will be necessary before choosing the character example and the rest will be explained during the game. Note that points costs are written in small size. It is very important to avoid hindering the reading (because, during play, you don't need them at all). Last edited by Gollum; 07-13-2019 at 01:29 PM. |
07-16-2019, 01:30 PM | #4 | |
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Re: Character guides
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Compare a GURPS sheet to a World of Darkness or D&D sheet. There's a lot more information jam on to the GURPS sheet. Detail is one of GURPS's strengths, but that makes graphic design and information presentation even more important to avoid overload. I feel like the GURPS veterans on this board tend to take it for granted; they've already mastered it, why can't everyone else? For example, consider a skill - let's say First Aid. How many pieces of information does that have when it's on a standard character sheet? Name, difficulty rating, cost, relative level, absolute level. (And the player should know what it allows their PC to do, but that's usually fine as a reference.) Multiply that over the 20-50 skills a typical PC might have and it's a lot more clutter on the sheet. The WoD version has two items: Name and level. It'd be possible to run GURPS skills like that, I think; the GM would have to get used to calling out the base attribute for every skill rolle they requested, but "First Aid, +1" certainly looks prettier than "First Aid (A) (IQ+1) -13 [4]". It's also the kind of thing where you might need or want to keep a master sheet with all the numbers and data on it, and then an "at-the-table" sheet that is much cleaner and easier to use in play. It'd be a really nice option for GCA. So I guess that's a player guide that I should work on: A guide for a new player to turn a jumble of words, abbreviations, and numbers into a clear sheet for playing a new game. Some others I'd include: Kromm's list of Skills Every Action Hero Has, and related lists of skills for appropriate campaign styles, annotated to explain why these skills are required or recommended. (Kromm's list isn't particularly relevant to Regency romance, for example.) Obviously the trait picker is really handy for building these guides. Benchmarks, for players who want to build their own PCs or at least understand what a particular number means in context. This is already baked into GURPS, but I'd reference Kromm's post here, and also point out the oft-overlooked "+4 to skill for routine tasks" modifier. And then, depending on the campaign, some abbreviated example characters for a couple of power levels or roles that PCs can be compared to. ("I want to build someone that could go up against/be Young Conan/Darth Vader/Jay and Silent Bob/Dana Scully - how many points should I have and what should my skill levels be?") It's something that's obviously covered by templates as well, but see above text about walls of text. |
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Re: Character guides
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07-16-2019, 02:19 PM | #6 |
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Re: Character guides
I like character sheets with 1 bit of Info per line
1 stat, 1 skill, 1 advantage, 1 quirk whatever but 1 item 1 line |
07-16-2019, 07:59 PM | #7 |
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07-19-2019, 12:20 AM | #8 |
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07-17-2019, 12:50 AM | #9 | ||
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Racial Templates are usually fixed, so they're as easy as any other game's racial mechanics - just pick what you like. Character Templates, on the other hand, are just Character Classes With Choices*. Honestly, character templates were one of the best things introduced to my GURPS 3E games, no qualifications, just - simply - ever. They cut character creation time down by at least half, for folks that had hard times making decisions or weren't as versed in the rules as much as the other folks at the table. It's just too bad it took SJGames another 3 years after I introduced them to my table (the very first time that I ran GURPS, btw), as a house rule, to actually publish their first one... Quote:
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07-17-2019, 11:34 AM | #10 |
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Los Angeles
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Re: Character guides
I feel like the more the GM is "willing" to take on her own shoulders, the less the players have to concern themselves with and can just enjoy the story and characters (I'm primarily discussing one-shots and intro games).
The default GURPS character sheet works best when everyone will be keeping track of more or less the same amount of data dump. The Phoenix sheet for GCA is a glory to behold, and contains everything! But I wouldn't let a new player anywhere near it for fear they'd get overwhelmed and fall prey to the tired "it's too complicated" silliness (though I should mention, you can make Phoenix a lot, lot simpler in the options). My pre-gen characters for GURPS one-shots these days look like this. Anyone showing up at an RPG table can probably find anything they need, and if they can't, the whole sheet can be explained in like 30 seconds. The caveat is, the GM tracks the lion's share of stuff, but that's hardly a bother. None of this directly ties to templates, since my one-shots all use pre-gens, but tangentially my point being, I agree -- the simpler the presentation for new players, the better.
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