02-12-2023, 10:02 AM | #31 |
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Re: Armor, is it worth it?
I'm replacing the small dial with a large one
Large shield test 10000 SwordmanA(ST11,DX12,DEF2)(Shortsword Large Shield): Life->5741 Unconscious->729 Escape->1275 Death->2255 ------VS------------ 10000 TribemanA(ST11,DX13,DEF0)(Shortsword): Life->4348 Unconscious->880 Escape->644 Death->4128 less dexterity, greater DEF, but probably doesn't help much compared to a small shield |
02-12-2023, 10:05 AM | #32 |
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Re: Armor, is it worth it?
gonna change a few things now
10000 Ranger(ST10,DX12,DEF3)(Cutlass Leather Armor Small Shield): Life->5544 Unconscious->725 Escape->2123 Death->1608 ------VS------------ 10000 TribemanA(ST11,DX13,DEF0)(Shortsword ): Life->4572 Unconscious->984 Escape->884 Death->3560 basically like a large shield test |
02-12-2023, 10:10 AM | #33 |
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Re: Armor, is it worth it?
and finally a lot of DEF
10000 Guard(ST11,DX9,DEF5)(Shortsword Chainmail Large Shield): Life->6574 Unconscious->521 Escape->2172 Death->733 ------VS------------ 10000 TribemanA(ST11,DX13,DEF0)(Shortsword): Life->3672 Unconscious->992 Escape->1344 Death->3992 and the results are a bit better generally armor helps, and when fighting with several warriors gives mood and character to the characters, but economically it is probably not worth much. If I wanted to do a big battle, it's probably better to spend money on poorly armed warriors :). Well, the research continues |
02-12-2023, 10:35 AM | #34 |
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Re: Armor, is it worth it?
Given that small shields are "free" for heroes (if not wizards), why exclude it? Or at the very least the off-handed dagger stab.
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02-12-2023, 08:42 PM | #35 |
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Re: Armor, is it worth it?
In all three of your tests the tribesman should have had a small shield. Sorry but not a valid comparison without it.
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02-14-2023, 11:15 PM | #36 |
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Re: Armor, is it worth it?
My take on armour, by which I mean anything that protects you and costs DX. A small shield is just a nice bonus for using a one-handed weapon, it doesn't count as armour for this purpose. One level of Toughness can be considered armour if it's the only reason you're taking IQ 9. The de facto effect of armour tends to be a lower ST and higher DX for the same adjDX.
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02-15-2023, 11:30 AM | #37 |
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Re: Armor, is it worth it?
thank you, David for your answer, your suggestions are very interesting to me.
I will definitely try them out in future simulations |
02-15-2023, 02:57 PM | #38 | |
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Re: Armor, is it worth it?
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02-15-2023, 05:25 PM | #39 |
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Re: Armor, is it worth it?
Something I forgot:
The assumption in the above modelling is that armour costs DX, you want constant adjDX, so armour requires more DX and hence requires a sacrifice of ST. Conversely if you don't have armour you can have more ST and do more damage. This is mostly valid for 32 point fighter characters. But for more experienced fighter characters there's a quasi-maximum ST of 13 (for one-handed fighters) and 15 (for two-handed pole weapon users). Above this you don't get nearly as much benefit from increasing your ST. So for experienced fighters armour becomes more attractive. For wizard characters ST is usually fixed for other reasons like racial minimum or excessive fragility. The tradeoff tends to be DX vs IQ vs armour. As I see it armour should nearly always lose that argument. |
02-15-2023, 05:30 PM | #40 |
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Re: Armor, is it worth it?
Players who run armored wizards or rogues (most especially ST 6 elves), could perhaps be invited to account for the weight their character is attempting (and failing) to carry. They'll get away with this only if they cleverly choose 3oz daggers as their only weapons.
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