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Old 08-15-2014, 11:20 AM   #1
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Default Shield as Cover

Sorry if this has been posted, but i did not find it. :)

If I have a shield large enough to cover (actually, to hide, hehe) behind it, shouldn't it count as cover against area/cone attacks?

I mean, if im facing a dragon, and he uses his fire breath: is there a way to cover myself with my large shield crounching behind it, or do you think this is too unrealistic?

Thx in advance.



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Old 08-15-2014, 11:26 AM   #2
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I believe you must take a ready maneuver and declare you are using it for cover. You can not claim it as cover for a defense.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:31 AM   #3
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If you're fighting against a dragon throwing spears and swinging a sword and suddenly he throws a breath, you'll need to roll for defense.
Otherwise, if his strategy is just to kneel and do an AOD, I'd allow automatic success, I'd also suggest carrying a pavise, not a large shield(You find it in Low Tech)
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:39 AM   #4
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I believe you must take a ready maneuver and declare you are using it for cover. You can not claim it as cover for a defense.
It seems fair. Do you know where in the books states that?

And even if you didnt readied to cover in this rule, if you blocked it with a really big shield, shouldn't provide some sorte of reduction of damage?

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If you're fighting against a dragon throwing spears and swinging a sword and suddenly he throws a breath, you'll need to roll for defense.
Otherwise, if his strategy is just to kneel and do an AOD, I'd allow automatic success, I'd also suggest carrying a pavise, not a large shield(You find it in Low Tech)
My strategy would be swinging swords at it. Is a high fantasy game, hehe.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:44 AM   #5
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My strategy would be swinging swords at it. Is a high fantasy game, hehe.
Then either you are attacking blindly(with max skill 9) behind your shield, or you are partly exposed.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:46 AM   #6
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And even if you didnt readied to cover in this rule, if you blocked it with a really big shield, shouldn't provide some sorte of reduction of damage?
If you block it, you don't suffer any damage(unless it breaks through your shield).
Also, remember that a large shield gives you -2 skill with your weapon.
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:54 AM   #7
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Then either you are attacking blindly(with max skill 9) behind your shield, or you are partly exposed.
Actually, I was thinking zoncxz said, and the thing would be fighting the think. If i see anything indicating a breath, I would take a Ready manuver, and "waste" my turn behind it.

And about blocking the breath: if it is a cone attack, it states that I can dodge to get cover. Why not block the get behind the shield?
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Old 08-15-2014, 11:55 AM   #8
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It seems fair. Do you know where in the books states that?
I am fairly sure there is no rule like that in any 4th edition book.

It would be nice if there was one...
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And even if you didnt readied to cover in this rule, if you blocked it with a really big shield, shouldn't provide some sorte of reduction of damage?
Block isn't an allowed Active Defense against an area attack.
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My strategy would be swinging swords at it. Is a high fantasy game, hehe.
It's really going to permit you to get within a yard of it?
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Old 08-15-2014, 12:34 PM   #9
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Not in the books, but against Large Area Injury attacks (B400) like this, I would permit a Block defense to add the shield's Cover DR (B484) to your 'least protected hit location', which could substantially boost your effective DR. You're still getting hit, though.
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Old 08-15-2014, 12:53 PM   #10
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Block isn't an allowed Active Defense against an area attack.

It's really going to permit you to get within a yard of it?
Well, it is permited in a Cone Attack: a dodge for cover may screen you out of it.

And I dont knwo if it is going to permit my aproach, but I need to be prepared, hehe.

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Not in the books, but against Large Area Injury attacks (B400) like this, I would permit a Block defense to add the shield's Cover DR (B484) to your 'least protected hit location', which could substantially boost your effective DR. You're still getting hit, though.
Thats better than nothing... :)
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