03-29-2020, 08:17 AM | #31 | |
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Re: REF of Tannerite and other east to mix binary explosive?
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Tannerite is shown to be "45% less effective than TNT", hence REF 0.55. You can easily find out explosive power of virtually any materiel as long as such numbers exist in open sources.
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03-29-2020, 10:08 AM | #32 | |
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Re: REF of Tannerite and other east to mix binary explosive?
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For basic demolitions, etc., if I couldn't obtain commercial blasting explosives and had to make my own, I'd stick with ANFO. The ingredients are easy to get in vast quantity, and in some places you can still get the fertiliser in uncut form in quantity without having to show much proof of being a legit farmer. It's easy to make up and safe to do so, and is fairly safe to handle, etc. The hardest part is getting detonators that'll set it off reliably. It's not particularly powerful, but the solution (just use more) is usually acceptable unless you're humping everything long distances on foot.
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03-29-2020, 12:42 PM | #33 | |||
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Re: REF of Tannerite and other east to mix binary explosive?
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Not only can they connect every site in a dozen countries together* and thus know that what seems to be a minor noise complaint (because no remains were found at the site of an explosion in some out of the way place) is connected to several mass murders, but anyone found with some of the explosive from that lot is going to be a Person of Interest, if not a suspect, in many murder investigations. That's a hell of a lot worse than being arrested for improper handling of commercial explosives that you are allowed to have at work, but not where you were arrested with them. *Something that realistically just doesn't happen under ordinary circumstances (international law enforcement cooperation is orders of magnitude more complicated, slower and less useful than the movies present), unless you happen provide them with such a perfect hook to link the crime scenes together when the explosives are traced. Quote:
I'm thinking that any Monster Hunting organization that is going to operate for more than a few missions needs similar resources to Gus Fring. And if you can use commercial explosives that come without taggants, that's far preferable, of course, even if that reduces your effective REF. I'm just not sure if you can get something between Tannerite at REF 0.55 and the REF 1+ commercial products that all come with taggants. I'm hoping Tovex (REF 0.8) might be the answer, but I'm not prepared to rule that they lack it just because the manufacturer website doesn't mention it. I'll have to do more research. Quote:
That allows me to distinguish realistically between the military trained explosives experts who have very high Explosives (Demolitions) and the enthusiasts who might have similar training, but also have a point in Chemistry (Optional Specialization: Explosives) and maybe a couple of points in Explosives (Fireworks). One PC has just this skill set, because he grew up with a favorite 'uncle' who was a Hollywood pyrotechnic expert and worked summers with him, as well as having always been fascinated with blowing things up.
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03-29-2020, 03:41 PM | #34 | ||
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Re: REF of Tannerite and other east to mix binary explosive?
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So to push my Breaking Bad callout: At least "all of Madrigal Electromotive GmbH, not just Los Pollos Hermanos and not just the bits Lydia Rodarte-Quayle knows about."
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03-30-2020, 08:23 AM | #35 |
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Re: REF of Tannerite and other east to mix binary explosive?
How easy would it be process out or alter the taggants from a finished explosive, as opposed to manufacturing the explosive itself? What if you add another taggant, perhaps in higher concentrations than the first as a way to "override" it?
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03-30-2020, 10:34 AM | #36 | |
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Re: REF of Tannerite and other east to mix binary explosive?
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Spoofing the forensics guys with fake taggants sounds hard too. Mostly because of lack of legitimate access to taggants. Counterfeiting taggants is probably rather hard also. There may be problems with taggants in the future as taggants are as nearly indestructible as TL8 can make. So "old" taggants never go away. They just get more and more scattered. They'll only show up in very small concentrations compared to taggants from the incident in question but the forensics people will have to screen all taggants found and exclude the contamination by statistical means. The more legitimate use of material with taggants there is the faster you hit contamination problems.
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03-30-2020, 11:00 AM | #37 |
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Re: REF of Tannerite and other east to mix binary explosive?
Assuming you don't consider liquids to be finished, very hard. Think of it as trying to remove dye from modeling clay, except the clay can explode.
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03-30-2020, 02:37 PM | #38 |
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Taggants in Explosives
I can find court cases from 1979 onwards where taggants were cited, including taggants in Tovex 220. It seems that they've been added on a massive scale to commercial explosives in the US since 1970. However, Switzerland is the only country to require taggants for all explosives manufactured there, since 1980.
Countries that ratified the International Civil Aviation Organization’s Convention on Plastic Explosives from 1991 legislated or regulated the manufacture and sale of plastic explosives, requiring, among other things, physical taggants. The US gradually adopted that, as far as I can determine, between 1996-2002, with local laws and regulations, Presidential findings, federal regulations and eventually the Safe Explosive Act of 2002. All of which tells me that you can still buy explosives in the US without taggants, as long as they are not legally defined as plastic explosives. However, because some types of commercial explosives have taggants added voluntarily by manufacturers (and this was secret to the buyers in several court cases I read), you'd need some relevant skill to know which types were taggant-free.
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