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Affects Substantial doesn't really change your power. It's just an added point tax that gets slapped on if you can affect substantials while insubstantial because it vastly changes the balance of the trait when you can do these things. Quote:
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Take Ghost Air if you don't, but still breathe some sort of astral air and can be strangulated by other astral beings. Take Doesn't Breathe with Oxygen Absorption if you breathe by absorbing oxygen directly as you phase through it without needing to filter it through the lungs or regular Doesn't Breathe if you don't breathe at all. |
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I added a page on Insubstantial and Affects Substantial and Partial Change to my groups wiki last week, as a response to another thread on the forum.
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07-23-2012, 02:19 PM | #14 |
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No. What I wonder is whether people's minds count as being part of the substantial world.
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07-23-2012, 02:27 PM | #15 | |
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Assuming the target is substantial, of course. If the target is insubstantial and you are insubstantial, then it works without that penalty and without the requirement for Affect Substantial. The GM is more than welcome to rule otherwise, as always; but the above is RAW. |
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07-23-2012, 04:24 PM | #16 |
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It says you can poke. If Partial Change is not sufficient in itself to carry things without Carry Objects, why would it necessarily be sufficient in itself to damage things without Affects Substantial? Punching and choking with impunity is too cheap without it.
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07-23-2012, 04:31 PM | #17 | |
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07-24-2012, 02:51 AM | #18 | |
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This is also why there is a price difference between the two Partial enhancements. If you simply want to be able to expose your hands for some fisticuffs, it's +20%. If you want to be able to fire a gun with the same hand, it rises to +100%. Neither requires "Affects substantial." "Affects Substantial" is a tax on insubstantiality when you have abilities that affect substantials while you are wholly insubstantial and out of reach. "Partial" is being able to turn part of your body physical (and vulnerable) to grab and punch stuff. It has an added +80% tax if you want to be able to hold stuff that remains physical (and thus, be able to shoot a gun with just the hand). The cheap version of Partial is much cheaper than Affects Substantial because it's a lot less powerful - you want to use it for attacks you have to be in melee range and can only use your own body for attacks - leaving you very vulnerable in comparison. The pricier version isn't as vulnerable since you can pick up stuff like guns to attack at range whilst remaining largely insubstantial. Still vulnerable, unlike the guy who attacks through "Affects substantial" abilities, but much less so and he gains some additional utility, so the price comes out the same as the guy who has "affects substantial." But really, you should be able to get this from simply reading the FAQ as it is intended. Kromm gives the counter-examples that you need Affects substantial only for abilities like deathtouch added on top of your strike and further below argues that if you have an ability you need "affects substantial" since " Partial strictly lets you use natural body parts in mundane ways" - ie, for punching and stuff. |
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07-24-2012, 03:19 PM | #19 |
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Something to add that I forgot to say. Does it make it easier if the weapons are made of water or is it the same thing (affects substantial with cosmic and all that)?
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07-24-2012, 03:41 PM | #20 | |
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Fluff suggests crunch but doesn't dictate it. "I spray them with a jet of chlorine trifluoride" vs "I spray them with a jet of water", assuming the same underlying advantage, gives the same mechanical result regardless of what chlorine trifluoride does. (Go look it up. Its' a lovely, lovely, thing. Even the Nazi wouldn't touch it. Too scary for them.) |
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