06-27-2019, 10:37 AM | #101 | |
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Alsea, OR
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Re: Can In Nomine be resurrected?
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06-27-2019, 11:51 AM | #102 | |
Join Date: Aug 2004
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Re: Can In Nomine be resurrected?
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Second, humans don't have to be unplayably weak for celestials to remain clearly more capable than them. Heck, merely granting access to supernatural abilities that mortals lack makes celestials clearly more capable than humans, at least in the areas that are most likely to feature in an adventure-heavy game. And I'm not suggesting that IN should be revised to the extent that that's the only difference. Take the “characteristics start at 2, not 0” suggestion: with it, 9-Force Celestials still have characteristics that are 2 levels higher than 6-Force Soldiers across the board. The difference is that instead of having a target number of 4 for an Average task, which has a 5:1 failure rate, the Soldier now has an average target number of 6, which is a 6:5 failure rate. Celestials, meanwhile, go from 6 to 8, which has roughly a 2:1 success rate. And remember that I'm comparing Celestials to Soldiers here; regular humans have average characteristics nearly a level lower than Soldiers. For them, the current rules give them roughly 10:1 odds of failure at an average task, and roughly 2:1 odds of failure at a very easy task. With a two-level bump, they're still a hair on the incompetent side, with something like 2:1 odds of failure at average tasks and roughly 3:2 odds of success at very easy tasks. But that level of incompetence is considerably easier to accept than failing more than twice as often as you succeed at something that's supposedly very easy: at least you're more likely to succeed than fail. It's not that humans are incompetent compared to celestials in the existing rules; it's that they're objectively incompetent on their own terms, because having a characteristic of 4, let alone 3, is objectively bad, not just comparatively bad. Bumping up all characteristics by 2 puts humans at a more reasonable level of competence while still maintaining that celestials are even better. |
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07-08-2019, 07:11 AM | #103 |
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Re: Can In Nomine be resurrected?
I find that general uselessness of humans undermines the Celestials, simply because there is no reason to treat humans as significant. They are useless as Servants - a 3 Force Ethereal is a better Servant than a Soldier - and there is no point in building a human up nor in tearing them down, because the PCs can't get the human they are working on to a point where the human can do anything.
Given the War is supposed to be about humans, humans are a pretty shoddy treasure to be fighting over. |
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