11-01-2011, 08:35 AM | #1 |
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[Social Engineering] Charisma treated inconsistently with BIO/Basic
Greetings, all!
The long-awaited Social Engineering is on my screen. Of course, me being me, I noticed an inconsistency: BIO48 lists a scent-based version of Charisma (-20% for Scent-Based), setting the precedent that default Charisma is not Sense-Based. This is consistent with the description in Basic (where no inherent Sense-Based limitation is listed). However, SE18 says that in effect, Charisma has all of:
It also means that SE-Charisma is useless for TV stars, radio hosts, call centres . . . well, pretty much anyone not using a direct two-channel two-way communication. Even the one-point-cheaper Appearance is now easier to use, since it works for things like film or even photography. (And note that Appearance is rather expensive given the number of hidden Limitations it has.) This . . . doesn't seem right. So . . . why? Thanks in advance! |
11-01-2011, 08:47 AM | #2 |
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Re: [Social Engineering] Charisma treated inconsistently with BIO/Basic
It's one way to reconcile the +1 to reactions (5 points) combined with +1 to a slew of skills under some circumstances (2-3 points) being sold for a net 5 points.
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11-01-2011, 08:53 AM | #3 | ||
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Re: [Social Engineering] Charisma treated inconsistently with BIO/Basic
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11-01-2011, 08:55 AM | #4 | |
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Can you describe for me the way in which you envision another person's charisma affecting you over a purely text channel? Bill Stoddard |
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11-01-2011, 09:02 AM | #5 | |
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11-01-2011, 09:08 AM | #6 | |
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If a person must be heard, it is Voice or Mimicry. If a person is a skilled speaker, it is Public Speaking or Voice or the like. If a person must be seen, then it is Appearance. If a person must be read, it is not charisma, it is Writing, Calligraphy, or Perk (Beautiful Handwriting). So far, the best description of Charisma I've encountered was je ne sais quoi. |
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11-01-2011, 09:24 AM | #8 |
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Re: [Social Engineering] Charisma treated inconsistently with BIO/Basic
And where does it say that that matters whether the user of the power can see the subject? As p. B109 states, "your attack is channelled through your victim's senses. ... for instance, a Vision Based attack cannot affect a blind subject or one with their eyes closed." If you see Medusa, it doesn't matter whether she saw you (and lots of things with Sense-Based effects, like a Flash-Bang, have no senses themselves).
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11-01-2011, 09:30 AM | #9 | |
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those who can both see and hear you, and only if you can see and hear them also; " "it requires seeing and hearing audience reactions. Real-time two-way audio and video communication allows Charisma to modify reaction and Influence rolls; one-way communication doesn’t." That is definitely both Sense-Based and Reverse Sense-Based. |
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11-01-2011, 09:34 AM | #10 |
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Re: [Social Engineering] Charisma treated inconsistently with BIO/Basic
In the specific case of Charisma, Social Engineering p. 18. Charisma is more tightly defined than Basic as requiring two-way interaction.
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