RAW enchanting system and Luck use

[Jerron]

So according to RAW, any non-magical method of divination should work.

"• Ceremonial magic may not be assisted with
Wishes, Luck, or Bless spells. In general, magic cannot
affect or predict the outcome of a ceremonial ritual."

Since only magic cannot predict the outcome, if you really want to be a rules lawyer, than psionics, supernatural power, or any non-magic method *can* predict the outcome,

However, it still is the clear intent that exactly what Hal was trying, is to be avoided. Again, spirit vs. letter, and now I need to go look at some psionic abilities... :P

[LargePrime]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

Just to point out: By the rules, anything enchanted with the Quick and Dirty method can become quirked.

That quirk can also be removed with remove enchantment.

Originally Posted by Jerron

So according to RAW, any non-magical method of divination should work.

Except the Luck Advantage...

[Jerron]

Originally Posted by LargePrime

Except the Luck Advantage...

I didn't realize luck was divination. Does luck affect divinations? That would get into a morass, wouldn't it?

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by Jerron

So according to RAW, any non-magical method of divination should work.

"• Ceremonial magic may not be assisted with
Wishes, Luck, or Bless spells. In general, magic cannot
affect or predict the outcome of a ceremonial ritual."

Since only magic cannot predict the outcome, if you really want to be a rules lawyer, than psionics, supernatural power, or any non-magic method *can* predict the outcome

If the GM wants ‘em to, sure... but that's not what the rules really say, though. To my mind, a reasonable extrapolation would be that related traits, regardless of source, would likewise not work.