07-29-2010, 05:27 PM | #1 |
Petitioner: Word of IN Filk
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Longmont, CO
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Release the Geas!
I'm away from my books and had a question I can't recall seeing there. I know a Lilim has to track down the person she has a hook on in order to claim a Geas. How about releasing Geases? Does a Lilim have to be physically present to release a Geas she holds on someone? Is a phone call or e-mail sufficient? Or is it easy as thinking "Geas, begone!" no matter where she and her victim are?
This may have an obvious answer in the rules; if so, an apology in advance for my obtuseness. But it's starting to become relevant in my campaign, and I just want to be sure of the answer.
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07-30-2010, 10:06 AM | #2 | |
Join Date: May 2008
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07-30-2010, 11:08 AM | #3 | |
Petitioner: Word of IN Filk
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My own inclination is to believe the latter ... if you can drop a Geas on yourself anytime you want, it's not much of a Geas, especially since 1 dissonance is fairly easy to work off. But is the former closer to canon?
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07-30-2010, 11:31 AM | #4 |
Join Date: May 2008
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Re: Release the Geas!
A promise is a promise...at least where geas are concerned. Ask Beth.
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07-30-2010, 04:49 PM | #5 |
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Re: Release the Geas!
I'd say that a Lilim can release a Geas-hook any time they want (although I think I might assign a point of dissonance to non-Bright Lilim for doing so). A Geas proper, however, has to be worked off. Once the Lilim calls it in, they actually can't tell the person "Ok, that's enough, we'll call it good" and release them from the obligation. Since self-Geases are full Geases, not hooks, this means a Lilim can't get out of it.
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07-30-2010, 05:08 PM | #6 | |
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Atlanta GA
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07-30-2010, 05:58 PM | #7 |
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Re: Release the Geas!
Yeah, good point. I wouldn't apply dissonance if dropping the Geas-hook applied another hook of equal or greater strength on someone else. That's just trading up, and it's perfectly within the Infernal Lilim mindset!
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07-30-2010, 09:57 PM | #8 |
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Corporeal Realm
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Re: Release the Geas!
This suggests that the smart Lilim learns to include the phrase "to my satisfaction" in the wording of her Geases, just to leave herself an out in case somebody big and scary wants that Geas off, NOW - and is just fine with soul-killing the Lilim if that's what it takes.
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07-30-2010, 10:13 PM | #9 |
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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Re: Release the Geas!
True, although of course that invites the person with the Geas to turn around and threaten the Lilim with grievous harm, bodily or otherwise, until she pronounces herself "satisfied". So there's obviously going to be a balancing act in there.
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07-31-2010, 09:54 AM | #10 | |
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On the other hand, that does open the can of worms that the Lilim's soul-death would probably release the compulsion, without the geased person knowing about her demise, so her releasing it might be able to be done long-distance as well. It kind of depends on the "feel" you want. Perhaps allow to release an activated Geas without contact, but -- and use this for soul-dead Lilim as well -- the geased person may not realize the Geas is not in effect immediately. Perhaps a Perception roll? +/- level of Geas? Edit: The reasoning I am using for this -- basically, if a Lilim geases a PC or NPC to do something, then "find the Lilim and make her release this person" should be one of the valid tactics. It's not necessarily going to be a likely one -- she may've skipped down to Hell! But if she's hanging around for some reason... Otherwise, there would be more Princes having their Lilim do "fire and forget" tactics. Also, if an activated Geas were non-liftable by the Lilim's Will, then why is it liftable with her soul-death? Either it still has a connection to her Will, or it doesn't, is how it's feeling in my head.
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