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This character, 剣 (sword), is pronounced ken. Many other characters containing the same radical from the left-side have the same pronunciation. 検 (examine) 険 (steepness) 倹 (economical) 験 (effect) Examples from https://jisho.org/search/ken. Also pronounced as ken: 建 (build) 健 (health) 腱 (tendon) 鍵 (key)
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01-07-2020, 09:18 AM | #32 |
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Unfortunately, I question that suggestion. These all feature a /tʃ/.
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01-07-2020, 10:26 AM | #33 |
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Good point. One could make an argument that all cases of the ch sound should be replaced with just a c, and other instances should have similar replacements made to them, but that's going to make things look odd. For example, your sentence would be written something like "Unforcunateli, I kwescun that sujescun. These all feecur a /tʃ/." My own sentence would look something like "Won kuld make an argument that all kases of the ch sound shuld be replased with just a c, and other instanses shuld have similar replasements made to them, but that's going to make things look odd."
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But as you can see with my example above (好 hǎo, 女 Nǚ, 子 zi), it doesn't work for every ideogram. And I'm not sure it works for a lot of them. It may even work better with Japanese than with Chinese, in which there are a lot of different languages which use the same writing system. 木 (wood), for instance, can be read mù, ba or ma, depending on where you are in China. Last edited by Gollum; 01-07-2020 at 11:23 AM. |
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Some example from my experience. I can say that I "speak English" quite well. But the truth is that 1) I'm better at reading English than writing English; 2) I'm better at speaking English than listening English (I'm good at listening if the other person speaks not too fast and he/she doesn't speak in a slang or in a strongly accented way). Probably I'm Native at reading, between Accented and Native at writing, Accented at speaking (I've good fluency and vocabulary, but my native accent is very evident and I've some trouble to pronounce some words) and Accented at listening (up to almost Native if the speech is very clear and moderately slow, down to Broken or worse if the speech is very accented and slangish). I can speak at Native level both the Italian and the dialect of my home city. I can understand at Native level most other dialects of my home region and even some dialects from neighbouring regions (in Lazio, the northern part up to Rome, Rome included; I can also understand at Accented level the dialects of the central part of Marche and the dialects of Umbria) but I can't speak them at Native level. For example, my girlfriend lives in a city, which is in the same region, that is roughly 120 km of distance from the city where I live. If we talk to each other in our respective city dialects, "heavy" as we can do, we understand everything of the other's speech except for the occasional strongly vernacular word of obscure meaning. But if I try to speak in her native dialect or viceversa, it doesn't work very well. Funny thing, if I speak in my dialect to people from other regions, most of them will have a level of comprehension of my speech between "Accented-to-Native" and Accented because the dialect of my home city is very close to standard Italian. But if I listen the speech of strongly dialectal Neapolitan, Sicilian or Venetian, for example, my level of comprehension will be between "Broken-to-Accented" and None (yep, my level of comprehension of French and Spanish is by far superior to my level of comprehension of Neapolitan, Lombard or Furlan). Lastly, I can read Ancient Hebrew very well, but I'm not able at the same level in writing Ancient Hebrew, at least not without a dictionary. |
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