Judo and falling damage.

[Winged]

Hi all, first let me start out by saying I do not possess the gurps product known as Technical Grappling, so if my question is addressed there, it is not necessarily helpful to me at this time.

In the entry for the skill judo it says that if a takedown attempt is successful the target falls into a couple of hexes nearby. Since it is a fall it seems reasonable that the falling guy should take falling damage (and assuming they are normal height their center of gravity would have them falling about a yard).

Given the above do you think that the damage is justified and happens in addition to the health roll against stun, or would that be double jeopardy and the word "fall" in judo was just a case of a word in the rules having more than one use?

Additionally, if the falling damage is a fair and legitimate in the case of a judo throw should an acrobatics roll negate it, or would the circumstances of a throw not permit the "free to move" condition for that to be the case? In real life break falls do exist and are practiced to distribute force in the event of a throw, but at the same time it seems that the judo practitioner who was grappling prior to the throw and will continue after the throw should have some level of control over this.

[Ulzgoroth]

I believe the book you want to be looking in is Martial Arts, not Technical Grappling.

However, I only have it in print, so I can't look for references right now. I think there's options to judo throw for damage and not for damage.

EDIT: The Basic Set rules for a Judo throw make no reference at all to damage. While you could try to wedge in the falling damage rules, having written the Judo rules that way with the intent for people to plug in falling damage despite it not being mentioned would have been horribly inept. So I feel pretty safe in saying that no damage is intended. The stunning is a pretty serious consequence though.

[Christopher R. Rice]

GURPS Martial Arts p. 75 allows you to throw someone for up to thrust-1 crushing damage. Typical targets are the head or limbs.

[vierasmarius]

Yup, what you're looking for is in Martial Arts. Specifically, Judo Throw (pg 75) describes how to inflict damage with a throw, which the Breakfall technique (pg 68) can mitigate.

[WingedKagouti]

And page 118 & 119 (in MA) have additional rules for throwing someone for damage from a Lock (Arm/Hand/whatever).

[DouglasCole]

You may also get something out of a blog post I did on Damaging Takedowns.

Damaging takedowns are not covered in TG at all. Judo Throws are, but the core of it isn't that much different than basic.

[Refplace]

I would increase damageif conditions applied that would increase damage though. Ugh gravity is one example