04-30-2011, 10:32 AM | #21 | |
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Re: [MH] [RPM] Willing Sacrifice & Mind Control
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04-30-2011, 10:39 AM | #22 | |
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Although I suppose the GM would be justified in saying that the state of mind of an NPC who's subject to threats (to themselves or others) to force compliance can 'color' the energy granted, such that it's treated like 'quirked' accumulated energy at best, and may make a critical failure more likely at worst. After all, even if they feel they have no choice but to let the caster drain their energy, their feelings towards the caster are not going to be exactly positive, and it wouldn't be surprising if they were hoping at some level for something extremely nasty to happen to the bastard threatening them. |
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04-30-2011, 10:41 AM | #23 | |
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Either choice is valid, or choice is not valid. There is no such thing as a choice that isn't subjected to one form of coercion or another. Mind control replaces your ability to choose with the controller's ability to choose for you, and so fails the "willing sacrifice" test because the sacrifice isn't the one making the choice. :) |
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04-30-2011, 10:46 AM | #24 |
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Re: [MH] [RPM] Willing Sacrifice & Mind Control
You could probably have the rational be that magical coercion is never perfect and can cause mental conflict that keeps it from being effective for something like this. Essentially, the victim is incapable of making the deep commitment necessary. Someone that has been coerced can lie and not actually commit, but he's capable of committing.
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04-30-2011, 11:40 AM | #25 | |
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04-30-2011, 11:48 AM | #26 | |
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An analogous example of "willing" might be... "Help me. Your wife can help too, if she wants." |
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04-30-2011, 11:51 AM | #27 |
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Re: [MH] [RPM] Willing Sacrifice & Mind Control
Then you also noted that he is specifically calling that out as a valid method of satisfying the requirement that they be "willing", right? And not in any way implying that coercion invalidates their choice?
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04-30-2011, 12:04 PM | #28 |
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Re: [MH] [RPM] Willing Sacrifice & Mind Control
Sure there has, unless you're using a non-standard definition of coercion. Many, many choices are made every day that are not made under threat of force or other measure to ensure compliance.
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04-30-2011, 12:08 PM | #29 | ||
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coercion http://www.answers.com/topic/coercion http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coercion Wikipedia appears to have the most thorough definition: Quote:
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04-30-2011, 12:15 PM | #30 | |
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Which means "this spell will strike down those who are after us" is okay, even if the assistant thinks the people are after them to oppress their religion, rather than to arrest the cult leader for drug trafficking.
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