08-04-2010, 07:20 AM | #31 | |
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Re: Weapon Master Broadsword?
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It's true that DF gives Weapon Master (Bow), and in fact the bow styles in Martial Arts also give Weapon Master (Bow). But then, Iaijutsu in MA gives Weapon Master (Katana) rather than Weapon Master (Broadsword), and notes that WM (Katana) works for both the Broadsword and Two-Handed Sword skills when using the Katana. To be fair, the jump from single-weapon to small-class-of-weapons is only 10 points. It's probably safest to just pony up the points where it seems appropriate.
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08-04-2010, 09:23 AM | #32 | |
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According to Martial Arts (p. 223), the word "scimitar" is "a blanket term for a curved, one-handed slashing sword from Eastern Europe, Turkey, the Middle East, or South Asia". It can mean any one of Shortsword, Cavalry Saber, Thrusting Broadsword, Falchion, and Large Falchion. You can pick one specific entry from these five, like Weapon Master (Cavalry Saber) [20], Weapon Master (Large Falchion) [20], etc. There's no such advantage as "Weapon Master (Specific Weapon: Scimitar) [20]" because "scimitar" is not specific. If you have a mastery over every weapon called "scimitar" regardless of which of the five entries it's classified into, it's Weapon Master (Small Class: All Scimitars) [30].
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08-04-2010, 09:39 AM | #33 | ||
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Weapon Master is by weapon. That doesn't necessarily mean "weapon table entry," but only because some weapons have multiple entries. For example, the Katana has two (two-line) entries, one for Broadsword and one for Two-Handed Sword, and Weapon Master (Katana) covers both. Weapon Master (Katana) does not cover use of the Cutlass or Greatsword. Quote:
In this case, Weapon Master (Bow) assumes that the scout is probably only going to ever use one bow. He'll pick up a Very Fine one as Signature Gear and use the heck out of it. So it's really shorthand for "Weapon Master (The bow that you decide to use)". And if the scout happens to pick up and use a different bow, then yeah, the scout's player is probably going to assume that he'll get his damage bonus with said bow, and the GM should let that happen, but that's a special case being made for DF, to keep things as simple as possible. It's the equivalent of a GM call, only one being made by Kromm to help the GM ahead of time. It certainly doesn't mean that "All bows" is now a 20-point class in all GURPS games everywhere. DF intentionally bends, twists, or simply rewrites certain rules to better fit cinematic dungeon crawling. Bear that in mind when basing a decision on it or citing it to support an argument.
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08-04-2010, 09:53 AM | #34 |
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Re: Weapon Master Broadsword?
Ok, that does clarify a lot. But...the basic set examples are problematic, then. Specifically:
-Two weapon WM: Broadsword and Shield. Which of the 8 (or more) kinds of shield? No Thrusting Broadsword? -Knightly WM: ditto, plus no light mace? And, uh, iconic character Iotha has Weapon Master (Bow) for 20 points.
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08-04-2010, 10:02 AM | #36 | |
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08-04-2010, 10:18 AM | #37 |
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Re: Weapon Master Broadsword?
What I said here still applies. The essential bit: Minor variations in size, number of edges, and so on don't matter. Weapon Master (Foo) encompasses anything with "foo" in the name. So Weapon Master (Broadsword) includes anything named "broadsword" for just 20 points. As a GM, I'd also include any balanced, Reach 1 weapon capable of swing cutting damage that's covered by the Broadsword skill: cavalry saber, backsword, etc.
And yes, for 20 points, you can have Weapon Master (Bow) that covers the longbow, regular bow, short bow, and composite bow. All are two-handed missile weapons with "bow" in their name, made from strung, curved staves and normally shooting arrows for impaling damage.
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08-04-2010, 10:32 AM | #38 | |
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Also, what if I want to be a master of actually one weapon? Should Weapon Master: Shortbow be worth any less? If so, how much, if not, why not? |
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08-04-2010, 10:36 AM | #39 | |
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Pentaphilia probably prevents there being an intermediate step between these two.
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08-04-2010, 11:04 AM | #40 | |
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IMO, if any historical figure should have the full-blown 'every weapon' version of Weapon Mastery, Musashi's one of them.
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