06-17-2020, 09:51 AM | #51 | |
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Re: Meteoric iron immunities
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Edit: I wonder if there isn't some influence from kryptonite going on here.
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06-18-2020, 12:47 PM | #52 |
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06-18-2020, 02:46 PM | #53 | |
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Re: Meteoric iron immunities
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...Which is also commonly true of applying iron to fae in modern works. But meteoric iron and other similar antimagic metals usually don't torment magicians and magical creatures. Aside from possibly enabling someone to subject them to mundane torments that they would normally resist or avoid.
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12-27-2020, 09:55 PM | #54 |
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Re: Meteoric iron immunities
Quirky question:
A DF gate to a parallel (though older) universe is set to just inside the horizon of an iron star. The gate owner is using it to bring back occasional cartloads of stellar iron. Would this count as "meteoric iron"? And could it, in fact, pass through a gate if the gate were set up using magic? |
12-27-2020, 10:14 PM | #55 | |
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And no, this doesn't have the right symbolism to count as meteoric. All iron on the planet was after all produced in stars somewhere, so just coming from one isn't enough. I suppose that the fact that a chunk of iron can acquire specific (anti-)magical effects depending on how it ends up on the ground opens the possibility that arriving from another universe via magical gate might cause it to do *something*. Possibly something the magician involved in fetching it did not expect at all. But being antimagical seems fairly unlikely.
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12-27-2020, 10:33 PM | #56 | |
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Re: Meteoric iron immunities
I probably should have read the earlier posts more carefully. Kromm's posts make it clear that:
a) iron can be meteoric iron as per GM's fiat and Rule of Cool (therefore, mining iron out of a stellar mass can totally be "meteoric" if GM desires), and b) if it's meteoric iron, its whole shtick is that it doesn't work with magic, so the magical-gate idea needs some further adjustment. Quote:
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12-28-2020, 07:49 AM | #57 | |
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Using psionics to reach into such a dying universe strikes me as monumentally bad idea, as it seems ready-made as an origin for Things Man Was Not Meant To Know. Of course, for a GM, that may well make it perfect. Kromm noted you should be able to carry meteoric iron through a gate (it's just encumbrance), so provided you can figure out a way to survive a brief jaunt into the star, you can simply carry the stuff through. Or have some sort of purpose-made servant do it for you (in which case it only needs to survive long enough to bring the stuff through).
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12-28-2020, 09:17 AM | #58 |
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Re: Meteoric iron immunities
I would rule that such a star produces an anti-magic field that extends 1 AU.
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12-28-2020, 09:27 AM | #59 | |
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Re: Meteoric iron immunities
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So the "parallel but older" universe is very, very much older, and considerably different from ours. As a source for phlebotinum, it's probably even a weirder backstory even than "rock that fell from heaven". I wouldn't object if a GM wanted to use the Plane of Future Past as the fluff text for the existence of meteoric iron. It'd have to be a pretty fantastic campaign if the PCs expected to be able to actually go retrieve some from the source, though. And if they could pull it off, it would seem like they were powerful enough not to care about trivial toys like anti-magic iron. |
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Re: Meteoric iron immunities
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If magic can open a gate slightly within the surface of an iron star, but the iron of the star is immune to magic, then one interpretation is that the gate appears to open out onto a face of dense very hot metal but cannot by itself move the metal out. But a person, mechanism, or thing that does not rely on magic, could reach through the gate, collect a sample, and move it back through the gate. In DF terms you'd probably not want to do this with a living hand or appendage. Perhaps some extremely-heat-resistant orichalcum or similar mechanical servitor could do this. I'm not even sure what form of matter the iron would be on the inside of such a theoretical stellar mass. Plasma? Edit: Anaraxes also brings up an interesting point: Quote:
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