11-17-2019, 05:52 PM | #11 | |
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Re: Need Help Properly Repricing Enchantment Per-Energy Costs
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Another thing to consider is if there are spells that can't be enchanted by apprentices and must be cast by journeymen (pr can t be enchanted by journeymen and must be enchanted by masters)
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11-17-2019, 06:19 PM | #12 |
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Re: Need Help Properly Repricing Enchantment Per-Energy Costs
S&S is probably something a group of journeyman enchanter would do (master enchanter can make more money through Q&D). For the economics to work out, the cost would have to be around $125/energy point (25x as much as Q&D). That would make a lot of enchantments prohibitively expensive.
An interesting variation of the rules would allow enchanters to reduce energy cost by accepting a penalty. -1 skill for x5/6, -2 skill for ×5/7, -3 skill for x5/8, -4 skill for x1/2, -5 skill for x1/3, -6 skill for -1/4, -7 skill for -1/5, -8 skill for x1/6, -9 skill for x1/7, and so on. A master enchanter with Enchant-20 and Powerstone-20 could make a Power 15 Powerstone for 7 energy. With two assistants with Lend Energy, they could do one casting an hour without an trouble. It probably would not change the economics much, but it would allow for more flexibility. |
11-17-2019, 09:30 PM | #13 | |
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The S&S number seems the easiest to calculate for me, and its $4.6 per point for journeymen (who should be doing it), $3.4 per point for apprentices (who maybe don't have the skill for it) and $8.6 per point for masters (who should be leading circles of apprentices in Q&D). My numbers are a touch higher than Fred's because He's using a 28 day work month, and I'm using the quirky 23.3 work month given in the OP.
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11-17-2019, 09:54 PM | #14 | |
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<shrug> Apprentices wee given a number that they could contribute to S&S so I assumed that it was within their capability. The sort of "Junior Enchanters" who follow the Master's lead in Q&D are capable of doing S&S by themselves in the standard system. The way AlexanferHowl wants to use the term "Apprentice" (i.e. living FP battery) does have a Gurps history but I believe the OP was using that term to mean something else. I also suspect those muhc higher numbers come fome AlexanddrHowl personal ideas about what mages should make in a TL8 world like ours. They look sort of familiar from previous posts. With the OP calling $800 typical pay for an Average Wealth job that means he's working at TL4.
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11-17-2019, 10:31 PM | #15 |
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Re: Need Help Properly Repricing Enchantment Per-Energy Costs
When it comes to definitions relating to spells, I assume that Apprentices have a skill 14-, Journeymen have a skill 15-19, and Masters have a skill 20+. Apprentices are incapable of participating in enchanting directly (they just do not have the minimum skills), but they can indirectly participate through using Lend Energy, making their work worth an Average wage (assuming skill 12+ with Lend Energy). Journeymen can contribute directly, so they earn a Comfortable wage. Masters can coordinate Journeymen, so they earn a Wealth wage.
I use a 22 day month, which is probably too high, but it allows for Sundays and some holidays off, or whatever is the local equivalent in the setting. Once again, characters need an economic reason to be enchanters, if they get an extra day off every month doing tailoring over enchanting for the same amount of work and much less training, they will do tailoring instead. Magical items needs to reflect economic reality as much as anything else, as people will not become enchanters if there is no economic benefit to them. |
11-17-2019, 10:36 PM | #16 |
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Re: Need Help Properly Repricing Enchantment Per-Energy Costs
The increased FP+ER actually has a lot of effects. The biggest is that you have a number of breakpoints:
The first hour of the day only takes 1 casting, so that's a slight improvement to over-all speed. The master also brings either 10 or 5 extra energy to any given day, which can be spread out over the rituals, though I'm ignoring that effect most of the time. If you are willing to reduce the energy input of a master to 2 energy per casting, he can lead two separate circles of apprentices, casting with one group each hour. Such magic items cap out at 52 energy. If journeymen can work with one other enchanter, a pair can turn out a 30 energy item every 2 and a half hours. Fred's observation that you charge per ritual, not per energy point, is a bit simplified but mostly true. A Q&D M+5A circle making 30 energy items needs and hour and a half per run, making the item cost 75% as much as a 60 energy. For the actual math. The number of rituals per day is 1+9/hours per ritual. multiply that by 23.3 work days for rituals per month. Then divide the cost of a circle for a month by the number of rituals per month. For example: 1 master plus 5 apprentices (the 60 energy layout) take two hours per ritual. They have 1+9/2 = 5.5 rituals per day. 5.5 rituals per day time 23.3 days is 128.3 rituals per month. The circle must be paid $8,000 in a month. $8,000 per month divided by 128.3 rituals per month is just over 62$ per ritual, rounded up to $63. Costs per Item: 30 energy: $30 52 energy: $52 60 energy: $63 90 energy: $112 120 energy: $258 If you only partially upgrade the makeup of a circle, you can get intermediate prices for items. Use the slower of the two casting cycles For example, a 100 energy items needs 2 masters and 4 journeymen, and has a 3 hour casting cycle. That means its cast 4 times a day, requires a salary of $14,400 per month, and costs $155 per ritual. The above numbers do not account for failed enchantments, brokers, merchants, transport out of specialized urban centers, the second hand market, or mysterious curses.
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