The Unoffial 2056 Vehicle Guide

[Racer]

Having had worked many years in grocery retail , two 12 packs of standard Coke cans stacked one on top of the other are approximately the size of a head .
Beer cans - at least in the UK - are almost always larger : 400ml-440ml vs 330ml for Cokes ( not sure off the top of my head how large cans/tins in US Fluid Ounces ? ) .
EDIT : Standard US Cans are 355mls . Good to know for future reference ! Lol

I'd allow a head in Armored Minifridge - IF worst came to the worst , they could always take the jaw off for 'extra room' ( eww I know ... but practical ... )

Probably best to have a full sized Fridge for head/body parts & mini Fridge for medication or the odd organ for transplant .

You can imagine some characters & many players would want to offset their Gold Cross cost by selling off their intact organs to those who can't afford a whole clone ? Or those that can't be cloned for some reason - genetic problems , radiation/toxin exposure or those in Countries/regions that do not allow cloning ?
Whole campaigns could be run on 'Find the Organ' , 'Harvest the Organ' , 'Deliver the Organ to the Anonymous Billionaire' etc , etc .
Probably watched 'The Wolverine' one too many times recently , but you get the idea ... ;-)

[juris]

This is why I post on this forum. This is an actual (semi) serious discussion about CW.

Originally Posted by Racer

Having had worked many years in grocery retail , two 12 packs of standard Coke cans stacked one on top of the other are approximately the size of a head .
Beer cans - at least in the UK - are almost always larger : 400ml-440ml vs 330ml for Cokes ( not sure off the top of my head how large cans/tins in US Fluid Ounces ? ) .
EDIT : Standard US Cans are 355mls . Good to know for future reference ! Lol

I'd allow a head in Armored Minifridge - IF worst came to the worst , they could always take the jaw off for 'extra room' ( eww I know ... but practical ... )

Probably best to have a full sized Fridge for head/body parts & mini Fridge for medication or the odd organ for transplant .

You can imagine some characters & many players would want to offset their Gold Cross cost by selling off their intact organs to those who can't afford a whole clone ? Or those that can't be cloned for some reason - genetic problems , radiation/toxin exposure or those in Countries/regions that do not allow cloning ?
Whole campaigns could be run on 'Find the Organ' , 'Harvest the Organ' , 'Deliver the Organ to the Anonymous Billionaire' etc , etc .
Probably watched 'The Wolverine' one too many times recently , but you get the idea ... ;-)

[43Supporter]

Originally Posted by Racer

Or those that can't be cloned for some reason - genetic problems , radiation/toxin exposure or those in Countries/regions that do not allow cloning ?

IMSMC: The adventure "Telethon" is based in-part on this problem (people with genetic conditions which can't be "fixed" through cloning).

I suspect a Gold Cross cryo unit has a few more "fiddly bits" used for keeping a body (or body-part) from Going Off than an ordinary Microfridge would; but if I start asking those sorts of questions of my more-medically-orientated colleagues, they're going to get visited by the Ethics Committees again. :)

[Racer]

Just got home & extremely tired .

@ Juris : Not actually sure if your taking the micky or not (too exhaust to focus) , but glad to be of service either way ... X-D

@ 43 : I'm sure the are more expensive options that don't cost ridiculous $ ?

Vehicle Guild 2 , page 56 has in option for the Valkyrie Helicopter :
Gold Cross Cryo Unit - $15,000 , 150lbs , 4 Spaces , 8 DP .
These are used to freeze bodies for transport to a Gold Cross center for memory transfer .

Sure there's a happy medium between the two costs ? 'Gold Cross Cranial Cryo Unit' for heads/organs or similar . I'll work out some stats & post after I get some rest .

[EDIT] re: IMSMC ? I forgot what it meant offhand & to look it up ... ... first answer - Italian Made Social Motoring Club ...
well not totally inappropriate for a Car Wars discussion , but for a minute there I was "WTH?" ... If Memory Serves Me Correctly ... brain in very low gear tonight guys ;-)
Night & hope to chat again laters .

[juris]

Just being funny - not making fun.

Yeah possibly small cyro unit would be more expensive than a mini fridge

Originally Posted by Racer

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@ Juris : Not actually sure if your taking the micky or not (too exhaust to focus) , but glad to be of service either way ... X-D

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[Racer]

Oh jolly good & thanks :-)

As I have mild Aspergers , it can be very hard to tell difference when I'm reading text . Even more so when I'm incredibly tired & have taken a shed load of painkillers & other medication ...

Gold Cross Mini Unit - $4,000 , 100bs , 2 Spaces , 4 DP .
A smaller Cyro Freezer for transport ring recovered heads , intact organs , severed limbs & other biological items or medication that needs to be stored at low temperatures . Operating range is +4°C to -30°C . For an extra $1,000 a liquid Nitrogen tank can be added to temporarily store items at -70°C or lower . Internal battery will last around 2 hours at these lower settings . Unit drains 2 Power Units per hour when connected to Vehicular Power Plant or Laser Batter . It will also switch to internal battery if vehicles Units drop below 10% Charge - and will attempt to draw PP PUs if internal charge goes below 20 minutes remaining .

( Probably fudged the temperature & charge numbers a bit , but this is a good base for improvement . Any & all suggestions on improvement will be most welcome ! )

[swordtart]

Before we go too far down this route, where is it written that you can recover memories from just a head.

The assumption is that the Gold Cross system needs a whole body. If it were possible to manage with just a head, then it would stand to reason that the Gold Cross system would just harvest the head. Gold cross will be putting the memories into a wholly cloned replacement body, they don't need the body any more than you do and wouldn't waste valuable resources transporting anything unnecessary.

Recall that a body below -10 DP cannot be read. Cutting the head off might produce that effect.

Consider also that for all we know, the cryo process uses the body's internal plumbing as part of the process.

Consider also that freezing isn't even necessary if you can get the body to Gold Cross within 24 hours (there isn't even mention of it needing chilling in the 2.5 Companion. It states that you need to get your body to the facility holding your clone, but to be honest as long as you can get it to a facility with a MMSD you should be fine. Just load 150lb and 1 space of corpse in any courier and you could get it to a facility. No fridge needed.

[43Supporter]

Originally Posted by Racer

[EDIT] re: IMSMC ?

"If Memory Serves Me Correctly". Anyone who's a fan of the original Japanese _Iron Chef_ is *very* familiar with this phrase....

As to a Small Cryo Unit: I could see a modification to the various Mini-Safes -- say $7,500 to cost ($6,500 for the Cryo and Rebreather mods, plus another $1,000 for "other stuff"). The Small could hold a head or other "large organ"; the Regular could fit a body "folded up".

[SydneyFreedberg]

Been lurking on this great thread for a while, thought I'd resurrect some of my old Compendium designs and see what people thought.... Nothing too earthshaking but it's a whole series from sub to lux with a consistent design philosophy for murdering folks on highways, I mean completely legal self-defense:

Excerpted from DuelBlog review, August 2044:
Black Dog Motors makes cars unashamedly optimized for the highway, not the arena. Their flagship “Pursuit” models in particular are meant to be idiot-proof: If the enemy’s behind you, you hit your Flaming Oil Jet and slam on your heavy-duty anti-lock brakes to make him overtake; if they’re in front of you, you hang back a comfortable distance and chew them up with computer-assisted Vulcan Machine Gun fire, relying on your overdrive, airdam, and spoiler to keep up and keep on the road during a high-speed tail chase. Black Dog’s “Escort” variants trade ABS, spoilers, and some armor for turrets, giving them a little more tactical flexibility, but they’re still intended to accompany cargo & passenger vehicles on the highway, not to duel. (The only arena-specific variant is also the one one that doesn’t carry their trademark VMGs).
Black Dog doesn’t disclose sales figures, but they market heavily to private security forces, high-end road gangs, and low-end police departments. No, none of these vehicles has room to carry prisoners, but their law enforcement customers aren’t the kind to worry about little things like that. What they DO care about should be evident from the two support vehicles Black Dog offers: the Vulture station wagon to tow away defeated cars and the Buzzard pickup if you’re just hauling off salvaged pieces.


Black Dog V1S - subcompact, x-hvy. chassis, hvy suspension, small power plant w/ PCs & SCs, 4 HD tires, driver only, VMG front w/ SWC, heavy-duty brakes, overdrive. Armor: F25, R15, L15, B25, T5, U15. Accel. 5 (2.5 w/ overdrive), top speed 90 (110 w/ overdrive), HC 4; 2,760 lbs; $7,400.
— Arena Dog R1S - replace VMG with RR, remove superconductors, add body armor, remove 28 points armor. Top speed 90 mph (110 w/ overdrive); 2,520 lbs, $4,942.

Werewolf Pursuit V1C - compact, x-hvy. chassis, hvy suspension, medium power plant w/ SCs, 4 PR tires, driver only, VMG front w/ SWC, FOJ rear w/ bumper trigger, antilock braking system, heavy duty brakes, overdrive, spoiler & airdam. Armor: F48, R37, L37, B48, T18, U25, 2 10-pt wheelhubs front, 2 10-pt wheelguards back. Accel. 5 (2.5 w/ overdrive), top speed 90 (110 w/ overdrive), HC 3; 4,438 lbs; $13,744.

Hellhound Pursuit V2M - mid-sized, x-hvy. chassis, hvy suspension, large power plant, 4 PR tires, driver only, 2 VMGs linked front w/ SWC, FOJ rear w/ bumper trigger, antilock braking system, heavy duty brakes, overdrive, spoiler & airdam. Armor: F47, R36, L36, B47, T15, U20, 2 10-pt wheelhubs front, 2 10-pt wheelguards back. Accel. 5 (2.5 w/ overdrive), top speed 92.75 mph (112.75 w/ overdrive), HC 3; 5,758 lbs; $18,291.
— Hellhound Escort V2TM - move 1 VMG to turret, upgrade SW to Targeting Computer, upgrade link to smart link. Remove antilock braking system, spoiler, and 15 points armor.

Fenris Pursuit V2N - Sedan, x-hvy. chassis, hvy suspension, large power plant w/ PCs, 4 PR tires, driver only, 2 VMGs linked front w/ SWC, FOJ rear w/ bumper trigger, antilock braking system, heavy duty brakes, overdrive, spoiler & airdam, streamlining. Sloped armor: F47, R36, L36, B46, T15, U25, 2 10-pt wheelhubs front, 2 10-pt wheelguards back. Accel. 5 (2.5 w/ overdrive), top speed 90 mph (110 w/ overdrive), HC 3; 6,115 lbs; $19,615.
— Fenris Escort V2TN — Move one VMG to turret; upgrade SWC to Targeting Computer, upgrade link to smart link.. Remove antilock braking system, spoiler, and 13 points of armor. 6,108 lbs, $20,381.

Cerberus Pursuit V3L - luxury, x-hvy. chassis, hvy suspension, large power plant w/ SCs, 4 PR tires, driver only, 3 VMGs linked front w/ SWC, FOJ rear w/ bumper trigger, antilock braking system, heavy duty brakes, overdrive, spoiler & airdam, streamlining. Sloped armor: F41, R30, L30, B40, T15, U20, 2 10-pt wheelhubs front, 2 10-pt wheelguards back. Accel. 5 (2.5 w/ overdrive), top speed 90 mph (110 w/ overdrive), HC 3; 6,600 lbs; $23,347.
— Cerberus Escort VBTL — Replace 2 VMGs w/ BC; move remaining VMG to turret; upgrade SWC to Targeting Computer, upgrade link to smart link. Remove antilock braking system, spoiler. Add 10 points of armor. 6,600 lbs, $25,145.

Vulture V2W - station wagon, x-hvy chassis, heavy suspension, super power plant, 4 PR tires, driver only, VMG front smart-linked to VMG in turret w/ targeting computer, heavy-duty transmission, heavy tow hitch, tow bar. Armor: F27, R27, L27, B27, T27, U20, 2 5-pt wheel hubs front, 2 5-pt wheel guards back. Accel. as per truck rules, top speed 92.75 mph. Cargo capacity 365 lbs, six spaces (one cargo space used by tow bar);towing capacity (with maximum cargo load) 9,024 lbs. 6,235 lbs, $20,900.
- portable shop option - add Portable Shop. Cargo capacity 65 lbs. 6,535 lbs, $24,900.

Buzzard V2P - pickup, x-heavy chassis, heavy suspension, super power plant w/ overdrive, 6 PR tires, driver only, VMG front smart-linked VMG to VMG in turret w/ targeting computer, 2 5-pt wheel hubs front, 2 5-pt wheel guards back. Accel. 5 (2.5 w/ overdrive), top speed 92.75 (112.75 w/ overdrive). Cargo capacity 1,100 lbs, 12 spaces. HC 2; 6,700 lbs; $20,390.
- portable shop option - add Portable Shop. Cargo capacity 800 lbs. 7,000 lbs, $24,390.

[swordtart]

Cheers SF:
Nice to see a themed post.

Originally Posted by SydneyFreedberg

Vulture V2W - station wagon, x-hvy chassis, heavy suspension, super power plant, 4 PR tires, driver only, VMG front smart-linked to VMG in turret w/ targeting computer, heavy-duty transmission. Armor: F27, R27, L27, B27, T27, U20, 2 5-pt wheel hubs front, 2 5-pt wheel guards back. Accel. as per truck rules, top speed 92.75 mph. Cargo capacity 420 lbs, towing capacity (with maximum cargo load) 9,024 lbs. 6,180 lbs, $19,900.
- portable shop option - add Portable Shop. Cargo capacity 120 lbs. 6,480 lbs, $23,900.

Does this have a towing hitch? I can't see it in the description, it wouldn't necessarily need it if it were towing salvaged cars and used a tow bar (but I'd probably include that in the description if that is the case).