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Re: Is Transhuman Space a "silly" genre?
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In particular, LAIs have Low Empathy. To me that says that they don't have detailed internal models of the people they are interacting with, which implies that they don't have detailed internal models of themselves either; they have limited self-awareness and limited volition. The Hidebound disadvantage also indicates that LAIs have a limited ability to innovate responses. I think of interacting with one as like playing a very sophisticated computer rpg where at any point you have a finite list of possible responses to a situation and the computer has a finite set of reactions to each, as opposed to a human-run rpg where if you say something unexpected the GM will think about their vision of the world and invent a consequence that makes sense. Bill Stoddard |
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Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
This seems more like an issue of reductionism than anything else. Not that anyone is likely to change anyone else's opinion on that issue anytime soon.
I would be more inclined to call Molokh a mathematical realist in general, rather than a Platonist. The Aristotle/Plato dichotomy really isn't. Last edited by Jc1991; 12-10-2009 at 02:56 PM. |
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As to mathematical realism, isn't that just the application of Platonism to mathematics? Bill Stoddard |
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Re: Ghosts and Mind Copies - The Identity Question
That seems to be a very accurate way of describing the case. At least I do see how the position is based on mathematics. Though since math is the language of the world, that's not very surprising.
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But once you get to TS-era technology, such definitions are suddenly urgently needed for legal as well as social reasons. And then it gets complicated - you specify "qualitative identity" and "numerical identity" and seem to have your own definitions for them, but no doubt other people will come up with their own terms and their own definitions for different types of identities. In Transhuman Space, it has gone so far that different societies have come up with their own terms and definitions - and laws.
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Now I'm curious - which books are those, and in what way are they recognized as "standard"?
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In other words, this isn't some new theory that has just been come up with in a recently published book or two; this is well understood philosophical terminology that's in the reference works. What you're asking is like asking "in what way is this phrase 'science fiction' recognized as 'standard'?" It's really not surprising that there's an established terminology for this. Philosophers have been discussing these issues at least since Plato and Aristotle (Aristotle's "third man" argument against Platonic forms turns on it), and it was a key to Christian eschatological debates of the Middle Ages that gave rise to the doctrines of the particular and universal judgments. Bill Stoddard |
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