06-04-2014, 03:48 PM | #1391 | |
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Keeping people from intentionally killing themselves after only existing for days doesn't allow functional people? Now you're just being silly, and so hyperbolic I lost what you're trying to say.
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06-04-2014, 03:51 PM | #1392 |
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I don't know, you tell me. Your the one with the hang-up about it. Why should anybody care that every child that's born is doomed to die? Why is it still legal to have kids at all, when that means you are killing someone eventually? The alternative to infomorph's copying and deleting is either mandatory and unrestricted Xox'ing, or no infomorphs at all. Which do you prefer?
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06-04-2014, 03:52 PM | #1393 |
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06-04-2014, 03:53 PM | #1394 | |
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* == Talking hypothetically here; I'm actually retelling events from my own life. |
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06-04-2014, 04:01 PM | #1395 | |
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I don't care if the shirt I wear now is the same one I wore last week. It's a shirt; it does the job I use it for. I sure as hell care if my life mate is the same one I met 15+ years ago, or some alien copy that just acts like her. Your views are disturbing, but I believe you never the less loathe suffering. And wouldn't want societies to depend on creating diseased dying suffering babies. Sir Pudding's views disgust me. Bad things happen in the real world. But there's a difference between continuing the confused set up we have and adding more suffering to it for no real gain other than novelties, slaves, and hubris. I hope it's clear that I'm not saying anything about S.P as a person. I normally like his posts. But his apparent views in this thread are abhorrent to me.
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06-04-2014, 04:04 PM | #1396 | |
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You seriously, cannot understand the difference? I cannot think anything other than that you are arguing just to argue.
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06-05-2014, 01:03 AM | #1399 | |
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They're not "just" a copy, any more than you're "just" the original. In every way that matters to human senses, they are you. They will even believe themselves to be you, unless confronted with irrefutable evidence that they are the copy. And even then — human psychology being what it is — they will quite likely deny that they are the copy, and seek to prove that you are, simply because they will believe that the copy is "just" a copy and only the original is "real" in some unsupportably fundamental way.
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Not, incidentally, that we don't care about your death (or your copy's). It's a death, whether violent or gentle, criminal, natural or accidental. But if everything that was you up to the point of recording still exists in another fork, then, yeah, it's not going to be as sad as losing all of you.
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