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06-22-2009, 08:21 PM | #32 | |
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As far as I know, GURPS does not have an idiosyncratic definition of read. Hence, Kromm's ruling creates a contradiction. Aside from that, this is GURPS. If the result is terribly unrealistic, you should be prepared to back up a rule with an explanation of why it is the way it is, otherwise it's toast. Obviously, Kromm's opinion carries a lot more authority than mine, but that doesn't mean it's a better opinion. There really isn't anything further to argue. You can view real world psychology as worthwhile, or you can decide it has nothing to do with the operation of that skill in the game. If the former, there is "real value" in discussing whether what I'm saying is likely true, in fact. Traditionally, GURPS has been more concerned with layering armor, bullet calibres, travel times, and the like, but that doesn't mean social sciences are excluded from GURPSification. GURPS Cops, Religion, Transhuman Space, Middle Ages I, and Japan, off the top of my head, touch on realism in more than a scientific-technical sense. |
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09-17-2011, 12:15 AM | #34 |
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Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
Since this thread is undead and roaming the Earth anyway, I'd like to take a crack at it.
Call it a house rule if you like, but I'd require literacy for Speed Reading, and in fact never noticed that it wasn't listed as a pre-req. I took a speed reading class once, and I'd say the techniques learned probably wouldn't carry over to a language or orthography I didn't know. One of the major techniques (in English with a printed Roman alphabet, anyway) is to read only the top half of every line, because Roman letters, for the most part, can be identified by the top half alone. I wouldn't assume this is true in all writing systems. Another technique is to learn to read entire words instead of letters; this leads to the phenomenon where, as long as all the letters of a word are present, and the first and final letter in a word are in place, the sentence is still decipherable. I speak only a tiny amount of Russian, but I can sound out Cyrillic. But I am nowhere as fast with Cyrillic text that I am with English. I firmly believe one must be capable of interpreting the language of a text before one can speed read it. I
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09-17-2011, 02:47 AM | #35 |
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Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
I'm a bit surprised about this. Do you mean that there are people who can read with ordinary fluency in their native language who don't do this? Who must put the sounds together from the letters, not just for strange words, but for most words?
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09-17-2011, 03:08 AM | #36 |
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Re: Missing Prereq on Speed-Reading
Many people with audially-dominated language recognition 'pronounce' words in their heads when reading, yes. Did you know that silent reading is a /TL skill? People are commonly taught a language first by speech and only then by writing.
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09-17-2011, 03:25 AM | #38 | |
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I know I'm weird in this, because I was taught to read by word-recognition, rather than by sounds; as a child I was far better at silent reading than reading aloud. But I wasn't aware that it is common for adults to still "pronounce" internally while reading. |
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09-17-2011, 04:12 AM | #39 | |
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There are lots of things people associate in silly ways, often subconsciously, because that's they way their neural connections were built (through nurture or nature). |
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09-17-2011, 04:27 AM | #40 |
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Except the sub-vocalization is a key element in memory retention. Hence why speed readers often do worse on comprehension tests because the often forget the details more often
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