defense vs. mind switch

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

Demons are apparently immune to being controlled by Summon Demon though...

Canonically the spell works as its description suggests. Perhaps due to their nature (what it means to be a demon), or maybe the 'control' aspect of the spell is just a specific exception *shrug*

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

Canonically the spell works as its description suggests. Perhaps due to their nature (what it means to be a demon), or maybe the 'control' aspect of the spell is just a specific exception *shrug*

Summon Demon and Control Zombie aren't Mind Affecting or Mind Control, neither would a more specific Control Demon spell be Mind Control, in the same way that reprogramming a computer program isn't mind control, it's redefining how the program works.

It basically has to do with how a power is defined and limited.
Someone with DR (Fire Only) is unprotected against an Innate Attack which does burning damage as long as the Innate Attack isn't limited or described to be a Fire attack.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Summon Demon and Control Zombie aren't Mind Affecting or Mind Control, neither would a more specific Control Demon spell be Mind Control, in the same way that reprogramming a computer program isn't mind control, it's redefining how the program works.

It basically has to do with how a power is defined and limited.
Someone with DR (Fire Only) is unprotected against an Innate Attack which does burning damage as long as the Innate Attack isn't limited or described to be a Fire attack.

That could be the case, too.

This is the choir, sir... the audience is that way.

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Summon Demon and Control Zombie aren't Mind Affecting or Mind Control,

What's the definition of Mind Affecting?

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

What's the definition of Mind Affecting?

Something which is described as or limited by being tagged as Mind Affecting.

[Kromm]

Spells that bind and compel spirits -- be they the minor spirits that animate stock GURPS zombies, elementals, or serious demons -- don't affect the target's mind. They affect the subject's extraplanar projection, which is the equivalent of the body. In essence, they imprison the target in our world and force it to perform a service by cutting it off from whatever power normally empowers it. Think of it as pulling the plug out of the wall (hell, the afterlife, whatever), plugging it into a generator (the wizard's FP), and saying, "Do what I say or I hit the kill switch."

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Something which is described as or limited by being tagged as Mind Affecting.

Good call. Generally, unless it's sitting under a heading like "Mind Control" or has a name like "Mind Probe," it probably doesn't have much to do with the mind. When in doubt, it's the GM's call . . . but spells listed as "Necromantic" definitely don't qualify. They work as I described above.

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Something which is described as or limited by being tagged as Mind Affecting.

Can you give me an example from Magic?

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Spells that bind and compel spirits -- be they the minor spirits that animate stock GURPS zombies, elementals, or serious demons -- don't affect the target's mind. They affect the subject's extraplanar projection, which is the equivalent of the body. In essence, they imprison the target in our world and force it to perform a service by cutting it off from whatever power normally empowers it. Think of it as pulling the plug out of the wall (hell, the afterlife, whatever), plugging it into a generator (the wizard's FP), and saying, "Do what I say or I hit the kill switch."

So the demon can disobey if it would rather die than comply?

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Summon Demon and Control Zombie aren't Mind Affecting or Mind Control, neither would a more specific Control Demon spell be Mind Control, in the same way that reprogramming a computer program isn't mind control, it's redefining how the program works.

Why are they not Mind Control if they are used to control a dæmon's mind?

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

It basically has to do with how a power is defined and limited.
Someone with DR (Fire Only) is unprotected against an Innate Attack which does burning damage as long as the Innate Attack isn't limited or described to be a Fire attack.

The thing is dæmons seem to have the equivalent to DR (Burn) and not DR (Fire) in this example. They are protected from mind-controlling spells, be they Default spells, Ritual spells, Rune Spells, Japanese Elemental Spells or whatever.

Edit: [upon seeing Kromm] Okay, I shut up.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Something which is described as or limited by being tagged as Mind Affecting.

I don't quite get why the way those spells work they are not described as mind-affecting.