Holy Bullets and Celestial Form

Drakyrias · 11-28-2011, 02:43 PM

Can Holy bulets and pistols be used from Corporeal to affect celestial forms?

i.e.: Cherub of War is chasing Balseraph of Fire.
The Balseraph decides to go Celestial since he's got a pretty strong will and if the battle continues there he thinks he can get away or win.
The Cherub has a Holy Pistol and a few bullets. He makes his perception roll to see the Balseraph, and he shoots the Holy pistol at it.

I know Celestial Artifacts can be taken with you into Celestial form, but do they effect the Celestial regardless for current form?

robkelk · 11-28-2011, 04:48 PM

Very, very few Corporeal things can affect a being in Celestial form. I don't believe Holy Bullets are one of those few things...

Phoenix42 · 11-29-2011, 07:21 AM

Generally, no - the bullet is corporeal. The extra damage it does is specific to damaging vessels, which is why they will damage both angelic and demonic vessels (and ethereal vessels, if I am not mistaken).

However, the larger issue of whether corporeal attacks can damage celestial forms may be interesting. In our group (GURPS IN), we introduced special targeted attacks that you can make with flaming weapons in order to damage the celestial form of a foe in a corporeal vessel. However, when you do so, part of the vessel hitpoints are counted as DR, so it's a tricky business and requires some skill, even for a celestial. Still, the opportunity of damaging the celestial form is worth something, so most of the pcs are trying for it.

The in-game reason why this, imho, can be argued to work, is that flaming weapons exist, and can do damage, in both the celestial and corporeal realms. The trick is to make your weapon "shift" in the crucial moment when you strike the enemy. I'm open to discussion on that one, mind you - just thought I'd throw it in, see what you think.

11-28-2011, 02:43 PM	#1
Drakyrias Join Date: Nov 2006	Holy Bullets and Celestial Form Can Holy bulets and pistols be used from Corporeal to affect celestial forms? i.e.: Cherub of War is chasing Balseraph of Fire. The Balseraph decides to go Celestial since he's got a pretty strong will and if the battle continues there he thinks he can get away or win. The Cherub has a Holy Pistol and a few bullets. He makes his perception roll to see the Balseraph, and he shoots the Holy pistol at it. I know Celestial Artifacts can be taken with you into Celestial form, but do they effect the Celestial regardless for current form?

11-28-2011, 04:48 PM	#2
robkelk Untitled Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: between keyboard and chair	Re: Holy Bullets and Celestial Form Very, very few Corporeal things can affect a being in Celestial form. I don't believe Holy Bullets are one of those few things... __________________ Rob Kelk “Every man has a right to his own opinion, but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts.” – Bernard Baruch, Deming (New Mexico) Headlight, 6 January 1950 No longer reading these forums regularly.

11-29-2011, 07:21 AM	#3
Phoenix42 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Mainz, Germany	Re: Holy Bullets and Celestial Form Generally, no - the bullet is corporeal. The extra damage it does is specific to damaging vessels, which is why they will damage both angelic and demonic vessels (and ethereal vessels, if I am not mistaken). However, the larger issue of whether corporeal attacks can damage celestial forms may be interesting. In our group (GURPS IN), we introduced special targeted attacks that you can make with flaming weapons in order to damage the celestial form of a foe in a corporeal vessel. However, when you do so, part of the vessel hitpoints are counted as DR, so it's a tricky business and requires some skill, even for a celestial. Still, the opportunity of damaging the celestial form is worth something, so most of the pcs are trying for it. The in-game reason why this, imho, can be argued to work, is that flaming weapons exist, and can do damage, in both the celestial and corporeal realms. The trick is to make your weapon "shift" in the crucial moment when you strike the enemy. I'm open to discussion on that one, mind you - just thought I'd throw it in, see what you think.