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08-10-2015, 10:51 PM | #1 |
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[Basic] So The Hulk Gets Bitten By a Werewolf Or The Multiple Alternate Form Problem
OK, some people may have noticed that I'm doing some stuff with AF recently. Well one of the problems I may have to deal with is that of some picking up two Alternate Forms, like described in the title.
The obvious thing is that they either remain separate, you pay the base AF cost twice and 90% of the cost of the most expensive form or they join and you pay the AF cost once and 90% of the combined form. But is there anything I'm missing? |
08-10-2015, 11:00 PM | #2 |
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Re: [Basic]So The Hulk Gets Bitten By a Werewolf Or The Multiple Alternate Form Probl
I'm pretty sure you pay the normal cost for Alternate Form for the most expensive transformation, then pay 15 for each form that costs less points. That's what it says in Basic anyways.
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08-10-2015, 11:09 PM | #3 |
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Re: [Basic]So The Hulk Gets Bitten By a Werewolf Or The Multiple Alternate Form Probl
There is a case where you would want to take AF twice, rather than just take two forms. The base cost of AF is 15 points, but you can apply enhancements and limitations to that. If you want to apply different ones, I'd say you have to take it twice; and particularly if you want to have different power modifiers, say
Super for the Hulk and Magic for the werewolf. On the other hand, you presumably can't use both at the same time! So you can take the one with lower total cost as an Alternative Ability, at one-fifth of normal cost. So say the Hulk form costs 1,000 points, and its AF has -40% modifiers; and the werewolf form costs 250 points, and its AF has -20% modifiers. The Hulk AF by itself costs 15 x 60% + 1,000 x 90% = 909 points. The werewolf AF by itself costs 15 x 80% + 250 x 90% = 237 points. But if you take both, you divide the lower cost by 5, to get 48 points, for a total cost of 957 points.
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08-10-2015, 11:47 PM | #4 |
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Re: [Basic]So The Hulk Gets Bitten By a Werewolf Or The Multiple Alternate Form Probl
You pay the normal price for the most expensive, and each additional form is a separate line that costs [15], +/- modifiers. You can NOT claim AF as an Alternate Ability to another AF.
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08-11-2015, 12:03 AM | #5 | |
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Re: [Basic]So The Hulk Gets Bitten By a Werewolf Or The Multiple Alternate Form Probl
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08-11-2015, 04:24 AM | #6 | |
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Re: [Basic]So The Hulk Gets Bitten By a Werewolf Or The Multiple Alternate Form Probl
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08-11-2015, 06:48 AM | #7 | |
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Re: [Basic]So The Hulk Gets Bitten By a Werewolf Or The Multiple Alternate Form Probl
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(b) The calculation I provided does in fact apply limitations only to the transformation costs. Go back and work through it and you should see that.
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08-11-2015, 08:05 AM | #8 |
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Re: [Basic] So The Hulk Gets Bitten By a Werewolf Or The Multiple Alternate Form Prob
I have a feeling that Kromm was once quoted as suggesting that if he were to redo Alternate Forms in some mythical future version, that he would consider using the Alternate Abilities mechanism.
Which at least gives some support to their use being a not unreasonable approach (assuming I'm remembering that correctly - I did do a quick search and couldn't find any such reference on the forums.) |
08-11-2015, 09:19 AM | #9 | |
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Re: [Basic] So The Hulk Gets Bitten By a Werewolf Or The Multiple Alternate Form Prob
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EDIT: Wonk, here it is, word of Kromm.
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08-11-2015, 01:07 PM | #10 |
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Re: [Basic] So The Hulk Gets Bitten By a Werewolf Or The Multiple Alternate Form Prob
The key question is whether the Hulk turns into a normal werewolf, or if he turns into a big green gamma-powered werewolf.
In the case of a normal werewolf, that's just a standard use of alternate form. If he turns into a big green gamma-powered werewolf, that means at least one of his abilities isn't alternate form, because racial templates don't stack. |
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