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Old 06-16-2019, 03:29 PM   #31
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Good point on the subsidies, the weight however would still be a factor on cost to orbit.
Not when the solar panels are produced on the Moon and assembled at the L4/L5 colonies. The only lift costs after the setup of the lunar mines are for the people who you send to the Moon and the L4/L5 colonies and any supplies that they cannot produce up there. With the cost of $300 per kg from the reusable SM+10 TL7 rockets described in the previous posts, you are probably talking about a launch cost of $400 billion per year by 2020 to support a $4 trillion per year space industry.
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Old 06-16-2019, 04:50 PM   #32
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Fair enough.
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Old 06-16-2019, 04:54 PM   #33
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This timeline is treading a fine line where the forum's RealPolitics rules are concerned, I think. Let's not focus too hard on the politics.
I'm going to say that there is enough politics in this timeline for me to find it politically tendentious, and perhaps even partisan. It would put me off as a campaign setting or a published supplement. I certainly have strong opinions, but I try to keep them out of my settings.
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Old 06-16-2019, 04:59 PM   #34
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As somebody that lived across the border in the Ozarks, I suspect that H. Clinton would have had a decent shot at becoming a Senator from Arkansas, in a history where a Democratic Party South did not collapse. Given the generally more successful Democratic party posited here, it is not an unreasonable inclusion.
It seems to me the Democratic South had already collapsed by 1972, with Nixon's southern strategy. What followed under Reagan was mopping up.
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:04 PM   #35
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Why does he need to die, or not exist? Give him a change of career, or an early election loss.
Because those of us who are old enough to remember his kvetching and sabotage of the space program want the spiritual satisfaction of having him crushed by a giant cheese wheel.
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:45 PM   #36
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Because those of us who are old enough to remember his kvetching and sabotage of the space program want the spiritual satisfaction of having him crushed by a giant cheese wheel.
We share the same pain!
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Old 06-16-2019, 05:49 PM   #37
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It seems to me the Democratic South had already collapsed by 1972, with Nixon's southern strategy. What followed under Reagan was mopping up.
Democrats controlled the NC legislature until 2010, and there were plenty of other Democratic Party strongholds in the South until 1994. I knew people in NC in the 90s who would not vote Republican because of Lincoln.
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Old 06-16-2019, 06:30 PM   #38
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Democrats controlled the NC legislature until 2010, and there were plenty of other Democratic Party strongholds in the South until 1994. I knew people in NC in the 90s who would not vote Republican because of Lincoln.
If you're going that way, though, there doesn't seem to be any obvious reason that HRC would be able to advance her career like that. She only got into elected office after WJC was in the White House, and it was the same kind of deal where New York elects an out of state candidate to the Senate who has tied to a former president, as when they elected Robert Kennedy in 1964; in both cases the new Senator had no prior history of elected office. (There were jokes in 1964 about Massachusetts being the only state with three senators.) I'm not persuaded that New York would have even considered her as a candidate without WJC's presidency, or that Arkansas would have considered her at all—they certainly didn't when WJC was governor, or president, or former president.

Even if you suppose she got into the Senate, somehow, I don't see anything to distinguish her from the other forty or fifty Democratic senators, if "married to the former president" wasn't on her CV.

I think you're conserving too much of our world's political history in what is meant to be an AH. It's like novels where US history diverged during the Civil War, but somehow Richard Nixon was still born and had a career in politics.
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Old 06-16-2019, 09:06 PM   #39
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Unlike in our timeline, HRC would have won in 2008, rather than have failed in 2016. It is hardly important though, the divergence is set in 1969, and all of the people who became president in the ATL have already been born, so they have a chance. If we assume that their genetics and their environment play a role in the success, not just blind chance, then they would have the essential inertia by 1977, when Teddy became President (and when the divergence starts to matter for the entire nation).

A more successful Democratic Party would have been in the cards had Teddy not had the scandal and had won 1976. With him being followed by Glenn in 1984, and with Glenn succeeding in overseeing the end of the Cold War and the beginning of energy production from the orbital solar array, the momentum would have only continued. Brown would have been a nature choice due to the progressive momentum from 16 years of Democratic administrations, but I think that he would have dampened some of the appeal with more radical social programs.

McCain would have been a natural choice from there on (without the first Bush presidency, I doubt a second one would have been in the works). Beyond that, moderate Democrats and/or moderate Republicans are a natural fit, as the Southern Strategy of Nixon would have been a mixed success, stengthening the moderate Republican wing. HRC was a Goldwater girl in her youth, so she may have stayed moderate Republican in such a divergence, even if her husband was a Democratic governor, and may have been able to become a Republican President. Obama could be have also been a moderate Republican in such a divergence.
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Old 06-16-2019, 10:04 PM   #40
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While I can see HRC still becoming a Senator in Arkansas, I don't see her translating that to the Presidency. There are other politicians that may do better at this point, such as Gary Hart, Al Gore, or third tier guys like Dick Gephardt, that may do better than in your changed back ground.
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