11-08-2012, 02:03 PM | #1 |
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Annihilation and the seventh Seal
I was reading the just-posted rules to Munchkin Apocalyse and noticed the rule that you can't cancel the opening of the seventh Seal. It gives two definitions, one saying that once the seventh Seal is opened, the game ends immediately. The other saying that you can't cancel the card that opened the seventh Seal.
Annihilation can cancel a card when it is played, before it actually does anything, though. Thus, I'm not sure whether a card that would open the seventh Seal is excluded from being a target of Annihilation or not. Is the clause in the rules meant to exclude cancelling any card that would open the seventh Seal, or is it only saying you can't use cards that could cancel the opening of a Seal? What if the opening of the seventh Seal were dependent on a die roll, such as the one you make at the start of your turn when blending? Could you use a Loaded Die or Reloaded Die (whichever is appropriate) to stop the seventh Seal opening? Also, is it possible to Annihilate a Seal card itself? Not the seventh one, of course, but if there are 6 or less, could you remove one from the game, thus closing it? I assume they aren't considered to be in play, so I'd guess no, but it's worth asking.
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11-08-2012, 02:57 PM | #2 |
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Re: Annihilation and the seventh Seal
The Seventh Seal trumps Annihilation. Seals cannot be Annihilated.
A (Re)Loaded Die could prevent a Seal opening in a blended game, since the Seal only opens based on the die roll.
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11-08-2012, 03:11 PM | #3 |
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Re: Annihilation and the seventh Seal
Thanks Andrew. Are you saying the card that would open the seventh Seal also trumps Annihilation, though? Say, for example, somebody played a Disaster that would open the final Seal and I play Annihilation immediately to cancel any card that was just played as a reaction (due to Annihilation having that special effect of cancelling the play of a card). It seems that would be similar to the die roll situation as the seal only opens if the card is not annihilated.
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11-08-2012, 03:36 PM | #4 |
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Re: Annihilation and the seventh Seal
The card that causes the opening of the Seventh Seal cannot be Annihilated.
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11-08-2012, 03:45 PM | #5 |
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Re: Annihilation and the seventh Seal
Thanks. I think I have it all straight now.
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11-09-2012, 03:21 AM | #6 |
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11-09-2012, 05:34 AM | #7 |
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Re: Annihilation and the seventh Seal
Can I use Wishing Ring to cancel such Disaster?
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11-09-2012, 05:50 AM | #8 |
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Re: Annihilation and the seventh Seal
No. The rules are explicit -- NOTHING can cancel the event that turns up the Seventh Seal unless it says, in direct language, that it can prevent the Seventh Seal. (Currently, the only thing that says that is the Ladies of Ragnarok bookmark, and you have to destroy it to invoke that effect.)
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11-09-2012, 07:16 AM | #9 |
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Re: Annihilation and the seventh Seal
Can I Annihilate a monster with "open a seal" in BadStuff before fight begin? before escape roll?
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11-09-2012, 08:04 AM | #10 |
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Re: Annihilation and the seventh Seal
If there's a conditional "Open a Seal" effect and that condition hasn't yet triggered, then the Seventh Seal hasn't been opened and the rules around it aren't yet in play. Once the condition DOES trigger, however, no takebacks.
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