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Old 11-15-2019, 01:19 PM   #1
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If you have a unit engaged with two different enemies at the same time, what happens when you want to shift around one enemy, but that would disengage you from the other enemy? Is that allowed, or are you stuck between the two enemies?
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Old 11-15-2019, 02:16 PM   #2
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You may shift "IF" it does not disengage you from anyone you are engaged by.

If you want to shift and it will disengage you from anyone engaging you, choose the 'Disengage' option.
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Old 11-15-2019, 02:42 PM   #3
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Default Re: shifting while engaged to multiple enemies

A multi-hex figure can simply shift away from all the little people that are engaging it. (ITL 103) So wait for the munchkins to move then shift away to apply dragon breath or one-handed pikeaxe jabs.
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Old 11-15-2019, 03:45 PM   #4
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You may shift "IF" it does not disengage you from anyone you are engaged by.

If you want to shift and it will disengage you from anyone engaging you, choose the 'Disengage' option.
There's nothing in the rules that say that, though. The closest thing is it talks about disengaging when engaged with multiple units under the "DISENGAGING" section.

Nothing under the various SHIFT descriptions puts limitations on how you shift (ie, it doesn't say shifting can't disengage). I think the wording under DISENGAGING does imply your only option is disengaging, rather than shifting.
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Old 11-15-2019, 03:56 PM   #5
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There's nothing in the rules that say that, though. The closest thing is it talks about disengaging when engaged with multiple units under the "DISENGAGING" section.

Nothing under the various SHIFT descriptions puts limitations on how you shift (ie, it doesn't say shifting can't disengage). I think the wording under DISENGAGING does imply your only option is disengaging, rather than shifting.
ITL p 11 "Shift – A movement of one hex on the game board, in
which you remain adjacent to each foe with whom you
were engaged"
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Old 11-15-2019, 05:53 PM   #6
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ITL p 11 "Shift – A movement of one hex on the game board, in
which you remain adjacent to each foe with whom you
were engaged"
Ok, that works, but I'm specifically talking Melee rules. Those don't adequately address the issue.
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Old 11-15-2019, 06:19 PM   #7
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In which of your posts was Melee mentioned?

I missed it.
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In which of your posts was Melee mentioned?

I missed it.
That's my fault. I don't know either, so didn't know there was a difference. Thanks.
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Old 11-16-2019, 12:41 AM   #9
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That's my fault. I don't know either, so didn't know there was a difference. Thanks.
It doesn't make a difference. See (the new) Melee page 8:
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SHIFTING
Only disengaged figures have options which let them move their full
MA. An engaged figure may move only one hex during movement,
and must stay adjacent to all figures to which it is engaged; this is
called a “shift” in the list of options. Figures in HTH combat may not
move at all until they successfully disengage.
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Old 11-16-2019, 02:57 AM   #10
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The last sentence of the original post has the gist of it; unless you can disengage, you are effectively stuck between your opponents. Your position on the map might change, but you'll still be stuck between them.
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