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Old 12-05-2020, 09:03 PM   #1
JimTullis
 
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While preparing for the arrival of Car Wars 6th edition I decided to check out available sleeve options.

It is important to remember that Steve Jackson Games has decided to use the Mini European Card Size standard for the cards in Car Wars.
This is the same size they use for Munchkin Treasure Hunt. IT is not the size they use for normal Munchkin or the size for Illuminati.
Any Mini American sleeves you have for games such as the Star Wars X-Wing First Edition Upgrades will be too small.

SW X-Wing 1st ed Upgrades are 40mm x 63mm, Munchkin Treasure Hunt are 44mm x 68mm. Car Wars Upgrades should also be 44mm x 68mm.


I bought the following sleeves to try to determine which ones I would like better for Car Wars. BG stands for Board Game.
Advertised sizes are internal, Measured sizes are external, subtract 1mm from width and 1/2mm from height to get internal sizes.
I bought the following sleeves to try to determine which ones I would like better for Car Wars. BG stands for Board Game.
Advertised sizes are internal, Measured sizes are external, subtract 1mm from width and 1/2mm from height to get internal sizes.


Brand      Name     Advertised Measured Thickness Notes          P roduct Number
Dragon Shield -        -       -      115    (See Arcane Tinmen)
Fantasy Flight  BG Mini Euro 44x68    46x72   100                   FFS02
Ultimate Guard BG Mini Euro 46x71    46x72   115     Supreme        UGD010076
Ultimate Guard BG Mini Euro 46x71    46x71    15     Premium (very soft) UGD010277
Arcane Tinmen  BG Small    44x68    46x73    80     Standard 100ct bag  AT-10404
Arcane Tinmen  BG Small    44x68    46x71    80     Non-Glare 50ct box  AT-10424


In Standard Size cards I'm partial Dragon Shield for anything that I shuffle.
I feel that Fantasy Flight Sleeves are comparable to Dragon Shield in quality BUT they are usually a tad taller than necessary.
I've also used Fantasy Flight frequently for the X-Wing standard sized cards and the X-Wing Mini American cards.
Their Mini European sleeves seem to be the same quality.

I hadn't previously bought any Ultimate Guard sleeves. I do enjoy their deck boxes though.
Honestly I couldn't really tell much difference between the UG Supreme sleeves and the FFG sleeves.
Other than the UG Supreme were microscopically smaller which is not bad since both sizes easily hold the cards.
BUT the Ultimate Guard Premium sleeves are SOFT SLEEVES, about what MTG players call Penny Sleeves.
You would have a very hard time shuffling these and I'm not sure they would actualy protect your cards that well.

Arcane Tinmen make a Board Game sleeve line which are slightly less heavy than their Dragon Shield line.
Their Mini European sleeves are called “Small” and their “Mini” sleeves are Mini American.
Arcane Tinmen now have two different Board Game Sleeve materials; Standard and Non-Glare. Non-Glare are a tad softer feeling.
Standard come in bags of 100, Non-Glare come in boxes of 50 with room to hold 50 sleeved cards in the box.
These sleeves are a tiny bit thinner than the FFG and UG Supreme Sleeves. I don't think I would want to shuffle them very often.
Not because they are bad sleeves, but I don't think you can slide shuffle them well, only riffle shuffling.

Since you probably won't be shuffling the Build Cards, the Arcane Tinmen sleeves are probably good enough.
I would suggest the Fantasy Flight or Ultimate Guard Supreme for the Damage Decks though.

The only binder pages I can find that will hold Mini Euro sized sleeves are the UltraPro 16 pocket Platinum Mini American pages (#84781).
They advertise a size of 41x63 but measure 50x70. Almost all of the Mini Euro sleeves hang out the top of the pocket.
This could be a problem at the top of the page where the sleeve is not supported by the page.

UltimateGuard now make a “deck box” that will hold about 60 sleeved Mini cards, either continent (UGD010491).
I'll probably use one of these for the damage decks.

I did not buy any UltraPro sleeves for review. They make awesome Binder Pages, and OK Deck Boxes, But I generally dislike their sleeves.
Once again, since you are not likely to shuffle the build cards often they may be good enough.
I do note that they have a Standard version and a LITE version.
I could not tell from online pictures if they have the Hologram on the sleeves.
The Hologram sometimes blocks card text on some of their full sized sleeves.
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Old 12-07-2020, 02:06 PM   #2
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Thanks for this! I am going to sleeve my cards, and this will help immensely.
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Old 12-08-2020, 02:24 PM   #3
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Mayday Games makes sleeves that are 45x68.
#7035 are the regular sleeves, and #7050 are the premium sleeves. Premium sleeves are 125% thicker. The #7035 are 100 to a pack vs #7080 you get only 50. Either are less than $2.00 a pack.
I prefer the thinner sleeves for the shorter stack they create, and I find that I don't replace them often for splitting.
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Old 12-13-2020, 12:13 AM   #4
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Mayday Games makes sleeves that are 45x68.
#7035 are the regular sleeves, and #7050 are the premium sleeves. Premium sleeves are 125% thicker. The #7035 are 100 to a pack vs #7080 you get only 50. Either are less than $2.00 a pack.
I prefer the thinner sleeves for the shorter stack they create, and I find that I don't replace them often for splitting.
THANKS!
I had forgotten about Mayday sleeves. There are so many companies...
I've used Mayday sleeves in the past, but they weren't exiting to me.
If you like them then that is what matters.

Two Questions...
Have you used any of their Mini sleeves?
Have you measured their Mini European sleeves?

I find that some of the companies use different standards for their "board game" sleeves than for their MTG sleeves. And almost all of the companies advertised size is different from their actual size (mostly being a tiny bit bigger).
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Old 12-15-2020, 01:23 PM   #5
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THANKS!

Have you used any of their Mini sleeves?
Have you measured their Mini European sleeves?

I find that some of the companies use different standards for their "board game" sleeves than for their MTG sleeves. And almost all of the companies advertised size is different from their actual size (mostly being a tiny bit bigger).
I haven't used the mini European sleeves specifically. I have an open pack of #7035. The sleeves measure 46mm x 68mm externally.
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Old 12-15-2020, 09:24 PM   #6
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I haven't used the mini European sleeves specifically. I have an open pack of #7035. The sleeves measure 46mm x 68mm externally.
The Car Wars cards will be 44mm x 68mm.
Those sleeves don't seem like they will have any extra coverage at the top if they are 68mm externally.

Thanks for measuring them. How do they feel?
Do you play MTG? Would you sleeve a deck of MTG in that type of material?
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Old 12-18-2020, 02:01 PM   #7
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The Car Wars cards will be 44mm x 68mm.
Those sleeves don't seem like they will have any extra coverage at the top if they are 68mm externally.

Thanks for measuring them. How do they feel?
Do you play MTG? Would you sleeve a deck of MTG in that type of material?
I don't play Magic. The sleeves may be a bit soft, but nothing like penny sleeves (Ultra Pro).
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Old 02-11-2021, 08:29 PM   #8
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Concerning Card count...
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Originally Posted by kjamma4
I think the total card count just went up a bit.
Not by much. And mostly in hazards.
From the PDFS I get...

PER COLOR
331 build cards
1 sequence card
4 status cards

COLORLESS
12 damage cards
6 checkpoint cards
4 scenario cards
82 hazards
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Old 02-12-2021, 08:00 AM   #9
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Concerning Card count...


Not by much. And mostly in hazards.
From the PDFS I get...

PER COLOR
331 build cards
1 sequence card
4 status cards

COLORLESS
12 damage cards
6 checkpoint cards
4 scenario cards
82 hazards
My grand total agrees with yours (I haven't split them by type yet.)

I show that is an increase of 173 cards from the Kickstarter number - but I'm hardly complaining!
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Old 02-12-2021, 08:13 AM   #10
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My math from the kickstarter was probably off.
I think I was originally estimating about 320 per color.


I am surprised at the number of Hazard Cards though.
That seems like a lot for a 3x3 board. Hopefully there is a lot of variety.
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