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Old 03-02-2021, 09:36 AM   #201
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I'll readily admit I'm not terribly familiar with the character, but the description of having extremely strong legs imply Super Jump and an increased carrying capacity may be appropriate.
Super Jump seems a bit redundant with having a good level of Enhanced Move. With a Basic Move+Enhanced Move of 78, he has a high jump of around 40' and a long jump of around 150'. That seems good enough for me.

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For the latter, something like Lifting ST (No Fine Manipulators -40%) [1.8]/level could work, to whatever level you feel is appropriate (matching his leg Striking ST would be +20, for [36], and would give BL 192 for purposes of things like encumbrance and literally lifting things with his legs, but not for picking things up with his arms). I'd suggest renaming the Limitation to Legs Only to avoid confusion.
It's a fair idea, and I think it might have crossed my mind, but the issue is, pricing is difficult. Calling it effectively No Fine Manipulators might work. I'll think about it.

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The Quicksliver I knew was a speedster and not known for his kicking. However, that Quicksilver isn't supposed to be this Quicksilver, and I realize that. It reminds me more of RWBY's Mercury... who is probably a Quicksilver Expy, making me wonder if Quicksilver either used to be or now is all about dem kicks. XD
Well, based on the Marvel Wikia, as well as a copy of the strength level page from one of the handbooks I got my hands on, he does have strong legs, with him having a leg press of 1000-2000 lb depending on the time of writing. I wasn't sure how to represent that, as I mentioned, and since Striking ST is almost definitionally fast ST, it made sense to me. With this version lacking both the instant acceleration and super-durability of the comics and movie versions, kicking seemed like a good method of fighting to train in.

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Okay, okay, getting to combat for Quicksilver, during this era, he... wasn't use for direct combat a lot. His powers was for fast rescues, or circumventing the need for combat in the first place. When he did need to attack, it was usually with punches, or maybe even a tackle. Kicking somewhat defeated the purpose, because he needed his legs to run.
Well, I figure punching and kicking will require the same amount of slowing down, and as mentioned, slams are a bad idea when you're a speedster with no special durability.

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Though, if you can get it for a reasonable price, that really is a good issue of X-Factor to read. I almost have the issue number memorized (thought it was #77), because that is how influential it was for my comic book reading in general. Peter David and Joe Quesada in 1993. :D
I'll keep it in mind if I plan to do a deep-dive for this project.
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Old 03-02-2021, 11:18 AM   #202
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I am not against this version having key differences, and so far, I like what I am seeing. :) I'll mention the Quicksilver I think I knew, just in case there is anything relevant to the nerfed Quicksilver. This was from his X-Factor run (pardon the pun). I strongly encourage reading X-Factor Vol. 1 #87. Titled "X-Aminations", we get to sit in on Doc Sampson interviewing the team at the time, including Quicksilver. It won't do much to explain Quicksilver's powers, but it was a great look into Quicksilver's state of mind. At least, at the time.
As I recall, the storyline where he's aging in proportion to his speed use turned out to be part of a villain plot that was uncovered a few issues later.

As for comments: Speedsters really benefit from "Speed Talent" as it adds to all sorts of things and also raises the move and attack cap. It's well worth dumping 20 points into it.

I'd second the notion that Quicksilver is a utility rather than combat character. He don't really kick others, but he does carry others quite a bit and it doesn't see to slow him. To carry others without a major loss of speed (looks like he loses 40% just carrying Wanda) he'll need ST or Lifting ST (only while moving?). I'd probably go for just upping ST (Mutant* -10%; Only while running -20%) since it helps him have decent punches while running.

For zipping around, I've borrowed "Ghostly Move" from Horror, replacing the "unseen" with a power modifier, though that doesn't really fit with what you're going for.


DX14 also seems a bit high. He's just not that good at things. I'd probably go for a 12 and adjust his base speed to compensate.

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Old 03-02-2021, 12:33 PM   #203
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Naloth, thank you. I'm fond of Quicksilver, but definitely not an expert. Your post corrected some errors I made, but otherwise explained what I meant better than I did. XD

Like a lot of characters with this much history (and multiple on-screen counterparts), Quicksilver gets confusing fast (pun intended). I had to suck it up and go look at his powers (and glance through his history) on Wikipedia. After all, he's gone from being a mutant to a de-powered mutant to an Inhuman to an experiment by the High Evolutionary over the last 20-ish years. He wasn't as ridiculous as the Flash was with speed powers... until, eventually, he was. >.>

awesomenessofme1, if you want Quicksilver to attack through kicking, go ahead. Just remember that, even with his super speed, there is a difference in what he can do while "running" on one leg and kicking, versus running on both legs and punching. ;) However, if Quicksilver's powers are going to be - in part - due to his legs, so they're significantly stronger, then it makes sense to kick! Or, of course, if you just want it to work that way. :)

That doesn't seem to be how comic book Quicksilver works, though. He's faster than others in terms of his overall biology, to the point he's faster mentally as well. From what I remember and just read, he's probably well above average for a human even when his powers are not working. Meaning, he probably does have around that high of a DX score, HT score, Basic Speed, etc. Something else I noticed is that, besides healing faster from injury, Quicksilver has "something" about him that means he can handle the friction, vibrations, and even a lot of the impacts caused from moving at high speed.

Check out Wikipedia for a general idea of what the comic book version of Quicksilver can currently do, then start the "nerfing" from there. If you already did that, pardon me for not catching on! >_<
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:02 PM   #204
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Ah, yes, Peter David was genius with Pietro explaining his frustration - Pietro Maximoff Syndrome, or PMS.

Permit me to explain in a rough paraphrase. Imagine being at a supermarket without self-checkout, there are four lines open, and they are all moving slow. You have a handful of items, and get into the shortest line. The person two folks ahead of you has two overloaded carts, and the guy in front of you also has an overloaded cart. It'll take forever. And every other line is like that.

And now imagine that everyone in your life is moving at exactly that slow speed. What takes everyone else a subjective ten seconds can stretch into what feels like hours to you.

To quote Pietro: "You'd have PMS, too."
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Old 03-02-2021, 03:07 PM   #205
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Overall, I'm not so sure about this Pietro's lack of ATR or Extra Attack. I understand why you kept the speed to running, reflexes, and ETS, but at the least I'd give a few levels of Extra Attack, probably with Multi-Strike, so he can hit in combat more than once per turn.
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