Mages really hurt by the battle fatigue costs? - Page 3

Gef · 02-24-2014, 04:52 PM

Don't forget Breath Control. It's poetentially better than Recover Energy, especially if you have a Talent for all the non-spell skills a battlemage should know.

Also don't forget that the minimum cost for ER 30 is just 18 points (with, say, Fave College Only and Granted By Familiar.

GEF

scc · 02-24-2014, 07:20 PM

Breath Control doesn't actually help that much, Recover Energy at skill 20 recovers energy at the same rate, and with out a potentially disastores (sp) skill roll

Of course ER at skill 20 costs a lot, but BC will to at a high enough level to be reliable (Remember, one roll per point of FP recovered)

gilbertocarlos · 02-24-2014, 10:14 PM

Recover Energy is only after battle. During battle you'll want manastones or powerstones. Also, don't fill all your wineskin, a quart of water is enough unless you're on the desert.

Remaking your equipment:
Clothes: 2lbs
Staff: 4lbs
Knife: 0.5lbs
Bunch of mana/powerstones: 0.5lbs
Battleload: 7lbs

Dropped or put on the mule:
Wineskin 3lbs(a little over a quart of water)
backback 3lbs
blanket 4lbs
personal basics 1lb

All of that and still less than 20lbs. You still can buy 13lbs of armor, and trade the knife for a sword. Also, you can have extra 9lbs for out of combat stuff like books, food etc... You'll be on light load, but outside combat it doesn't matter much.

Gef · 02-24-2014, 11:14 PM

Y'know, once ya have Magery 2 or more, Weapon Master for Staff is only 4 points as an alternate ability.

~~Peter Knutsen~~ · 02-25-2014, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by scc

Breath Control doesn't actually help that much, Recover Energy at skill 20 recovers energy at the same rate, and with out a potentially disastores (sp) skill roll

Of course ER at skill 20 costs a lot, but BC will to at a high enough level to be reliable (Remember, one roll per point of FP recovered)

One could house rule that Breath Control doen't work on FP spent on magic. And it'd make sense for Breath Control do to nothing to help recover ER.

~~Peter Knutsen~~ · 02-25-2014, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gilbertocarlos

Dropped or put on the mule:
Wineskin 3lbs(a little over a quart of water)
backback 3lbs
blanket 4lbs
personal basics 1lb

Unless you expect to do a lot of looting (e.g. as in DF, and if you can't rely on the other adventurers carrying your loot for you) then you really don't need a 3 lbs backback as a Wizard. What would be in it? A couple of pouches on your belt (0.5 lbs for 3 roomy pouches), and a light harness (0.5 lb) to carry your blanket, is probably enough.

Even in terms of looting, it makes senes for a Wizard PC to opt for loot that has a high value-to-mass ratio, especially magical loot. But of course, party dynamics...

Pragmatic · 02-25-2014, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gef

Y'know, once ya have Magery 2 or more, Weapon Master for Staff is only 4 points as an alternate ability.

From what I understand (from my limited perusal of the books... sigh...), "alternate ability" has its price break because of either (based off of memory here) it taking time to switch between abilities and/or the linked alternate abilities being able to BOTH be blocked if either gets blocked.

What blocks Weapon Master? What blocks Magery? (Yes, low-mana and no-mana blocks mana, but I don't think it blocks Magery.)

Mind you, cool idea. If you run out of fatigue and/or energy reserve, start whacking them with the staff.

~~Peter Knutsen~~ · 02-25-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pragmatic

From what I understand (from my limited perusal of the books... sigh...), "alternate ability" has its price break because of either (based off of memory here) it taking time to switch between abilities and/or the linked alternate abilities being able to BOTH be blocked if either gets blocked.

What blocks Weapon Master? What blocks Magery? (Yes, low-mana and no-mana blocks mana, but I don't think it blocks Magery.)

Weapon Master is normally a mundane ability, but if you slap a Power Modifier onto it, it can become some kind of supernatural ability. E.g. -10% Magical. That means that anything that can block Magery or other forms of "arcane" magic also nullifies Weapon Master.

Problem solved!

Pragmatic · 02-25-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter Knutsen

That means that anything that can block Magery

What can block Magery, though?

I guess some sort of "magic-suppressing" manacles?

DavidSev · 02-25-2014, 10:04 AM

No mana kill magery, and is very commons in dungeons and the like. Plenty of spells, items, poisons, and all sorts of other things have been made specifically to mess with mages, and again are very common in the sorts of places PC go to fight.

Alternate abilities don't work at the same time. So when you want to use WM with your staff, your magery goes away and some of your spells switch off and you can't cast etc. The whole point of having the staff is that you can cast through it, having the staff as an alt of magery kinda defeats the point and you may as well get a better weapon instead.

02-24-2014, 04:52 PM	#21
Gef Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Yucca Valley, CA	Re: Mages really hurt by the battle fatigue costs? Don't forget Breath Control. It's poetentially better than Recover Energy, especially if you have a Talent for all the non-spell skills a battlemage should know. Also don't forget that the minimum cost for ER 30 is just 18 points (with, say, Fave College Only and Granted By Familiar. GEF

02-24-2014, 07:20 PM	#22
scc Join Date: Mar 2013	Re: Mages really hurt by the battle fatigue costs? Breath Control doesn't actually help that much, Recover Energy at skill 20 recovers energy at the same rate, and with out a potentially disastores (sp) skill roll Of course ER at skill 20 costs a lot, but BC will to at a high enough level to be reliable (Remember, one roll per point of FP recovered)

02-24-2014, 10:14 PM	#23
gilbertocarlos Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Caxias do Sul, Brazil	Re: Mages really hurt by the battle fatigue costs? Recover Energy is only after battle. During battle you'll want manastones or powerstones. Also, don't fill all your wineskin, a quart of water is enough unless you're on the desert. Remaking your equipment: Clothes: 2lbs Staff: 4lbs Knife: 0.5lbs Bunch of mana/powerstones: 0.5lbs Battleload: 7lbs Dropped or put on the mule: Wineskin 3lbs(a little over a quart of water) backback 3lbs blanket 4lbs personal basics 1lb All of that and still less than 20lbs. You still can buy 13lbs of armor, and trade the knife for a sword. Also, you can have extra 9lbs for out of combat stuff like books, food etc... You'll be on light load, but outside combat it doesn't matter much. __________________ I've revised the Low Tech weapons table: http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=112532 Last edited by gilbertocarlos; 02-24-2014 at 10:18 PM.

02-24-2014, 11:14 PM	#24
Gef Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Yucca Valley, CA	Re: Mages really hurt by the battle fatigue costs? Y'know, once ya have Magery 2 or more, Weapon Master for Staff is only 4 points as an alternate ability.

02-25-2014, 10:04 AM	#30
DavidSev Join Date: Jun 2011	Re: Mages really hurt by the battle fatigue costs? No mana kill magery, and is very commons in dungeons and the like. Plenty of spells, items, poisons, and all sorts of other things have been made specifically to mess with mages, and again are very common in the sorts of places PC go to fight. Alternate abilities don't work at the same time. So when you want to use WM with your staff, your magery goes away and some of your spells switch off and you can't cast etc. The whole point of having the staff is that you can cast through it, having the staff as an alt of magery kinda defeats the point and you may as well get a better weapon instead.