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11-23-2020, 07:16 AM | #11 |
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Re: context needed to use (and thus train/better) certain default skills like Religio
Jesus's miracles didn't save his life.
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11-23-2020, 09:33 AM | #12 |
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11-23-2020, 10:32 AM | #13 |
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Re: context needed to use (and thus train/better) certain default skills like Religio
I'm agreeing with what Eric said. But in doing so, I'm viewing Jesus as a human founder of a religion. I'm not inquiring into how you would do a character sheet for an omnipotent and omniscient entity.
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11-23-2020, 11:25 AM | #14 | |
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IE parting the 56k cubic miles of the red sea but not parting the 170mil cubic miles of the pacific ocean. |
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11-23-2020, 03:04 PM | #15 | |
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11-24-2020, 01:51 AM | #16 |
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Something I would call “an inherent element” around defending against/fighting evil spirits and performing miracles is the power of the Faith.
I am not an exegete, but in the Bible there’s an emphasis on the fact that Jesus’ miracles took place because others believed in the power of God (had Faith). This includes exorcisms. On the other hand, it was Jesus’ Faith that helped him resist temptation when he retired to the desert; you could stretch the idea and assume his Faith purified the place, driving away the evil spirit. The more Faith you have, the better the results. AFAIK, a “correct” exorcism will work against any type of evil spirit. You only have to be familiar with your Faith, which you increase with actions such as meditation, piety and so on. By the way, regardless of the character's religion, you can improve exorcism with divine favors (further details about it in GURPS Divine Favors); the god of your religion boosts the power of your Faith and so you improve your performance. If you create a special system, theology would be part of the basic “Divine Power Suite”. Evil spirits have more “tolerance” to Faith or certain rituals; this means not all “challenges” are the same and IMO this would span some skill penalties if ill prepared. Finally, I should emphasize the fact that Jesus’ did not work miracles to benefit himself; you could say that’s one of the motives that kept him from “saving himself” in the face of death. Something similar happened with Moses and God: his miracles were aimed to benefit others. If you check the Gospel, the chapter in which Jesus prays to be spared but is later apprehended, there’s stress on the fact that his disciples did not accompany him at that time (they dozed off); this has always hinted (to me) a lack of Faith in Jesus’ disciples at that moment. Maybe if they had accompanied Jesus during his prayers, Jesus could have been saved from apprehension and possibly from death (a miracle). On that respect, I would say that Jesus was ultimately saved by God with the miracle of resurrection, although he did not “escape” crucifixion. Take care!
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11-24-2020, 03:12 AM | #17 |
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Re: context needed to use (and thus train/better) certain default skills like Religio
Without going into the details of your theological analysis - we're verging on sensitive territory here - I'd like to mention that faith is an in-built factor for the Exorcism skill under the rules. If you have no True Faith (and/or any of the two similar advantages, Blessed and Power Investiture), you automatically are at a significant handicap, -4 (see p. B193).
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11-24-2020, 06:28 AM | #18 | |
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And, on theological analyses: for our purposes, it is enough that there are varied ones, which might inform a given game world. If you take a particular analysis, certain mechanics may drop out... but there are always other analyses. The idea that Jesus was limited by the lack of faith of others is one I would oppose on theological grounds (although I grant there are some tricky passages that seem to indicate it). However, if you want to run your game in a way that draws on that idea, I'm not stopping you--and I might run a game that way, just as a thoroughgoing materialist who holds that we are essentially embodied might ignore that so they can include ghosts and such (or the physics of light and perception can be ignored for invisibility). It's a game, not (necessarily) an exercise in hard scientific and theological speculation.
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11-24-2020, 06:49 AM | #19 | |
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It's also clear that though his immediate followers were massively impressed by him, they didn't always do what he said. There was a lot of disputation among them.
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