10-02-2016, 10:24 AM | #21 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Chinese Guns
Not to mention why a full-caliber lead ball has the same range as 100 smaller sub-caliber shot from the Long-Range-Awe-Inspiring Gun.
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10-02-2016, 12:40 PM | #22 | |
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Now to figure out what's going one with the Long Range Gun's range with a full sized shot, I ran the numbers through Doug's spread sheet (I have the 2013 version). This got me a half damage range of 884 and a max range of 3,222. Doug's sheet does give different values for range then the formula used in house, but it is within the same ball park so I think it's safe to say that the range listed in Low-Tech is a copy past error.
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Yeah, it would be nice to have both, as you an always use teh one you personally want. I knew at one point there was an armourer's book suggested (maybe as part of VDS) but I don't know of that still going ahead. It would have the similar commercial issues as VDS. Quote:
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I think part of thr problem i not actually knowing what these guns are. Which would help with working backwards from reality. So for sample I can look up a brown bess musket etc, but what's a crouching Tiger gun and what's a Long-Range Awe-Inspiring Gun (and more importantly what's the difference). Of course as has been pointed out this is not the era of standardisation and not only is there overlap of terms but terms were also nebulous and variable etc. |
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10-03-2016, 12:48 AM | #24 | ||
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True, or even a description. Although given the sheer amount of stuff in that book I'm guessing space was at an absolute premium and word count was a harsh mistress! FWICT the Crouching Tiger gun is short angled gun pinned to the ground, much more like an older bombard, The Awe inspiring cannon is vase shaped thing longer and heavier then the crouching tiger but seems earlier (I have to say I assumed it was later). However that's 5 seconds and Wikipedia, I'm guessing Bill Stoddard did rather more than that when looking at this! One other think I meant to mention earlier there doesn't seem to be stats for earlier gun powder weapons firing arrows, could probably mash something up from the Flechette rules in HT Last edited by Tomsdad; 10-03-2016 at 11:38 PM. |
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10-03-2016, 05:16 AM | #26 | ||
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*Though I have no objections to slightly altering the results of applying the High-Tech generic rule to match specific historical performance. If another Range statistic can be shown to represent reality better, I'm all for it. Quote:
Meanwhile, 1/2D Range in GURPS is not exactly the same as the range at which a given projectile has either half the velocity or energy it had at the muzzle. It seems to be a number meant to reflect differences in 'effective range' between weapons and one might even suspect that there's a lingering taint from where it was the range at which weapon Acc no longer counted. In any case, correcting GURPS rules is all well and good, but it has to happen with consistency. As long as all other weapons use these assumptions for the Range stat, it would create perverse incentives to use a different set of assumptions for one or two weapons. Note that TL5 Napoleon twelve-pounder cannon is listed at Range 400/2,000* in GURPS. No smoothbore cannon firing round ball has a better range than this. It would be strange indeed if a much ligthter, smaller gun, with a fairly light powder charge for the TL, achieved much better Range than any other smoothbore. *Artifact the position of the gun, theoretical Max Range 3,300, according to HT.
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As to if these numbers fit reality better, that I can't say yet but like you I do think stating them as canister shots does makes more sense. Quote:
Actually I just re-read the rules for using lead shot and looks the the range for the Awe Inspiring Long Range Gun might be 123/1,124, assuming of course that the range for the Crouching Tiger Gun is correct. This is based on the fact the rules say that lead shot has twice the range and that the Long Range Gun does about 1.02× more damage. Under normal GURPS conventions, this should be rounded to two significance figures or a range of 120/1,100. So this only muddles thing further for the lead shot figures... did Bill just round the range for the Long Range Gun up? Or did someone made copy paste error given that the ranges were so similar? Or was the range rounded up and it was also used for the lead shot ranges on accident?
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