01-20-2013, 06:54 PM | #1 |
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Limitations' limits
Hi all!
Some questions about Limitations... If I've used the Pact limitation to reduce the cost of an Advantage, having chosen two specific mental disadvantages, for example, as that specific Pact, can I apply that very same Pact to another Advantage or perhaps all of my Advantages to reduce their costs as well? Can Secondary Characteristics also be limited (i.e. by Pact)? When calculating the cost of a limited Advantage (or Secondary Characteristic), and applying more than one Limitation, I assume you apply those Limitations one a time, recalculating cost after each before applying the next? For example, if a 10-point Advantage can only be used at night (-50%) and is sanctity sensitive (-10%), the cost is 10 minus 50% (5) minus 10% (4.5 rounded back up to cost 5) rather than 10 minus 60% (cost 4)? Otherwise, two -50% Limitations would equal a final cost of FREE! And on that note, when calculating cost for Advantages which are purchased in levels, is cost recalculated for each level or only once for the final level? For example, if I want Magic Resistance at level 5 (10 points) with the sanctity sensitive limitation (-10%), calculating from the final level reduces the cost to 9 whereas calculating at each level keeps the cost at 10. Which method is correct? *The character concept here is that some powerful being has ascended a commoner to create a champion with a host of granted Advantages and enhancements to natural abilities (i.e. secondary characteristics), ALL contingent upon adherence to a code of conduct (i.e. the Pact). Thanks for your expertise! |
01-20-2013, 06:59 PM | #2 |
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Reykjavik, Iceland
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Re: Limitations' limits
Well first of all you can never go below -80% in limits cost
So a Advantage that cost 10 points will mostly go down to 2 pts even if you have -100% limitations on it. Point cost is always rounded up so lets say a leveled advantage at the cost of 10 pts per level gets a -55% it would cost 5 pts at level 1 but 9 points and level 2. Same pact can be placed on all Advantages that the pact covers. Of course if you fail to uphold the pact you will not be able to use any of those advantages. I allow in my game to have limits on extra secondary attributes but of course like with advantages if you fail to uphold the pact they go away. But I would not allow for example a PC with IQ 14 to buy his secondary attributes Will and Per up from 10 with limitations, he would have to buy them from 14.
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01-20-2013, 08:10 PM | #3 |
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Yukon, OK
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Re: Limitations' limits
One point of clarification.
You do not apply each limitation separtely and reduce the cost. Add all the limitations together and he enhancements and it cannot be below -80% in effect. Another optionl rule is the multiplicative modifers some use. With that you multiply the cost by he enhancements and then multiply the total by the limitations so Advantage (base points * (Total of Enhancements)) * (Total of Limitations up to -80%) = net cost
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01-20-2013, 11:10 PM | #4 | |
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Limitations' limits
1) Yes, you can use the same limitations on more than one Advantage. This is particularly common if they all come from the same source. If, say, you're a divinely powered paladin, maybe you get Strength and DR and Hard To Kill from your god, as long as you maintain the Pact. If you get the Powers book, you'll see that often, such common limits are rolled into a "Power Modifier". Everything that's "magic" comes with these limitations; everything that's a mutant superpower has these.
2) Yes. You can Limit attributes. Maybe your Pact with the animal spirits gives you better Perception. 3) There are two different methods for calculating the final cost, called "Additive Modifiers" and "Multiplicative Modifiers". Additive is the standard. Sum up the percentages for all the modifiers into one number, then apply that total to the base cost. To quote Basic page 101: Quote:
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