02-14-2015, 01:44 AM | #71 |
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Re: We're gonna have to rethink the TLs
I'd say the world was always dominated by China, but it happens that what is probably the major exception falls during this period - during the 10th century, following the collapse of the Tang dynasty it's likely Gurjara-Pratihara, Samanid or Saffarid Persia, and maybe the Roman Empire and Srivajaya were stronger states than either Wu or Northern China under whichever of the Five Dynasties happened to rule it that year. The late 9th thru the mid 10th centuries were a bad stretch for the Caliphate too.
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02-14-2015, 02:06 AM | #72 |
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Remember that general TL is the baseline TL for which most societies would be at in most fields at a given game world. Split TL is very common and even the basic set say its realistic on B511.
If I'm making a new world(s), i'll make or change the current TL chart to what I see fit. If I'm basing the campiagn on earth, I would have TL0-8 as normal than have TL9+ to whatever the future will be, in my time travel, campiagn, I have as followed; TL9: Micro Age (2030+). TL10: Quantum Age (2100+). TL11: Synthetic Age (2350+). TL12: Dark Matter Age (2500+).
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02-14-2015, 08:21 AM | #73 | |
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02-14-2015, 09:27 AM | #74 | |
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Chineese Gunpowder was a specialty weapon used by specialists to overawe barbarians and peasants-- European gunpowder was a universal weapon that made the peasant class dangerous Chineese wood block printing reinforced the classics being cheap to obtain and new books being expensive-- European moveable type printing made the production of new literature (and thus new ideas) cheap. Navigation I'll give you as equal -- though in terms of world dominance, it probably contributed more than the other two. China used its ships to show off to the barbarians. Europe used its ships to conquer them and take much larger portions of their wealth.
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02-14-2015, 09:38 AM | #75 |
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At TL4, yes. At TL3, not so much; it was used in big immobile artillery pieces, in petards for blowing down doors, and in gonnes that took two men to operate and were more suitable for terror than for combat. And the Chinese had much the same capabilities, decades earlier. The peasantry didn't become dangerous until later on, with weapons that could be used more quickly and transported more easily.
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02-14-2015, 09:41 AM | #76 |
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Starting with the Great Heathen Army in the mid 9th century, conquering York and setting up the Danelaw. China has always seemed to me to be very introverted, historically.
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The nature of Chinese wood block printing did not intrinsically favor classics; a single carved wood block only lasted so long and then a new one was needed, which could just as well be used for a new book. The first of the four great Chinese novels, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, apparently dates to the 1400s.
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Yes, those the technologies technically reffered to by bacon transformed the world and with the words he used they were technically had by the chineese much earlier. But the forms the chineese had were not the forms that transformed the world and were not forms capable of transforming the world. The comparison there was unfair. I'm not trying to be eurocentric or to deny that china was the foremost technological power of the world for large swathes of history. I'm denying that china had the transformative technologies bacon referred to hundreds of years before europe.
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