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Why isn't it "emergent superscience"? Can you cite the technical definition?
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Unfortunately GURPS Prime Directive doesn't help the original question much. They use a Tech Level scale based on the third edition rules that goes up to TL 16 and is considerably varied from the standard 3rd ed version. |
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I'll be honest, when working on a Star Trek game like my Supers Trek game, I usually just declare the TL to be TL/ST. I don't concern myself with any specific numbers as it's more a hodgepodge than a unified level as arbitrarily assigned by the creator of the game trying to cover as many areas as possible. I find what works best from the various books, and if I can't find what I'm looking for, I make it up.
Like many external sci-fi settings, Star Trek doesn't fit conveniently into GURPS Tech Levels. I find, it's best to familiarize yourself with the source material and use GURPS as a guideline. |
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Here's the thing though. The TL 7 society with flying cars in the garage and a war over Mars? Although clearly it has an effect on the population, it hasn't had enough of an effect to change the average income of a TL 7 American. That's the difference between emergent super science and retrotech. With retrotech you have, for example, TL 10 people with TL 10 average incomes, but for some reason they never invented a hand weapon or a computer better than those of the 20th century. With emergent super-science you have, functional flying machines in the 16th century, but the average income is still far less than that of the 20th century. A retrotech setting with emergent superscience would be one in which people have say a lifestyle equivalent to TL9, but they still don't have hand weapons and computers better than TL 7...but they also have matter transmitters, brain transplants and antigravity. This doesn't describe Star Trek, though because the base income of the Federation is very high to match Roddenberry's aspirations to utopia which were present even back then. |
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"City on the Edge of Forever" establishes that Spock can build a primitive low grade interface equivalent of the Enterprise's computer with TL6 supplies. TL9 would put this at a reasonable -5 to skill within reason for Spock if he is in the 18-20 skill range. Scotty indicates that the Star Trek timeline deviated from our own because transistors were the technology of choice for spaceships in the 1990s ("Space Seed") and there is no reference to computer chips for 20th century Earth anywhere in TOS. I should mention that chakoteya.net has the transcripts of a lot of shows including Star Trek. I use it regularly to make sure I am quoting an episode correctly. Last edited by maximara; 07-17-2018 at 01:31 PM. |
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TOS computers (or at least the terminals that tie into the main ship's computer) are bulky things with lots of flashing lights and control panels have manual switches; way different from even the TL7 computers of the 1970s. TNG upgraded the computers so they were more inline with what TL8 could do but TOS is in a kind of "Gernsback Continuum" land where technology has changed to the point a lot of it looks insanely primitive. It for all practical purposes has become Divergent Technology. Last edited by maximara; 07-17-2018 at 01:21 PM. |
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