12-18-2019, 10:13 AM | #11 |
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Re: Reboot THS
OK, yeah. It's something that will only become official in hindsight.
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12-27-2019, 12:20 PM | #12 |
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Re: Reboot THS
So it seems the only partial consensus is to push out the time (closer to 2200) and increase the Space presence and/or amount of transhumanism. Increasing the time I guess gets rid of the chance of people alive today being alive them, but does make it possible for more Transhumans (larger fraction of population has gene-fixes and simple upgrades, more extensive upgrades, more parahumans, etc.).
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01-01-2020, 04:56 PM | #14 | |
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Going for biological transhumanism, for example, doesn't absolutely mean that SAIs and ghosts must be impossible, but is made easier if they are, and making xoxing impossible rather than illegal solves the 'too many copies' problem... though it would annoy the 'digital soul' branches of transhumanism.
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01-01-2020, 10:03 PM | #15 | |
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But if SAI requires special hardware and macroframe-sized machines and isn't readily copyable...then it can plausibly coexist with bioroids and transhumanity, because it's rare and expensive and limited. Which could still be a transhumanist setting, just not one that works along Moravec's vision (which, incidentally, is the better part of half a century old already). THS already limits SAI to a degree. The setting specifically does not include the god-like AI-things that show up from authors like Stross and Vinge and settings like Orion's Arm and so on. That was necessary to make a playable and comprehensible (for humans) setting at all, but it doesn't go far enough in practice. Also, if you want bioroids and humans believably sharing one setting, you need to make bioroids at least a little expensive and difficult to make. Not as much so as SAIs, but there should be some believable reason why they haven't displaced normal humans from almost all roles. As Moravec noted back in 1978, second-rate supermen are just as threatening as first rate ones, from the POV of a normal. That doesn't mean you can't put a human mind into a machine, of course. It just requires that you build the machine around the brain and central nervous system from the human. Which is definitely transhumanism. It also presents a load of story hooks. (And if someone says they'd never subject themselves to that, you can reasonably ask why they'd balk at that but consent to having their brain sliced and diced into ground meat in order to make a software version of themselves, which is a far more radical thing.)
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01-02-2020, 08:24 AM | #17 |
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Transhuman space might be made stronger by cutting out the transhuman and the space aspects, and focusing in on the memetic ecology and the high digital integration.
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01-02-2020, 08:53 AM | #18 | |
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(One assumes that AIs are designed not to have this attitude, though one who did might be interesting.)
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01-02-2020, 10:21 AM | #19 |
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Re: Reboot THS
That would be a different setting. Not that there's anything per se wrong with such a setting, but it hardly counts as a THS reboot.
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01-02-2020, 03:35 PM | #20 |
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Re: Reboot THS
It's amusing that Sole Executionism seems to be a memeplex originating from AIs, not meatbags, in THS.
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