01-22-2021, 09:38 AM | #1 |
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Why the Bard Talent?
If one looks at the talent entry for Thief, it says that it is not a talent at all, but a profession. So why isn't Bard the same? After all, just like how the abilities that let one function as a thief are described by other talents, the same could be said of bards. Though a typical bard is unlikely to have all of these, a number of talents come to mind as relevant:
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01-22-2021, 09:44 AM | #2 |
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Re: Why the Bard Talent?
I'd agree if Sex Appeal was renamed and the gender restriction removed.
I've been tempted to play an androgynous elf who appeals to all genders just to twerk that rule. (I've dabbled a bit with androgynous halflings, but unfortunate implications abound.)
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01-22-2021, 12:30 PM | #3 | |
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Re: Why the Bard Talent?
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Probably it was done to simplify creating a bard character, rather than stipulating a set of prerequisites for the career, since most other careers are single mundane talents. And taking the Bard talent doesn't convey nearly as many related talents as something like Thief or Druid might, so it doesn't break the system the way it is now. But I do agree it's something of an odd case.
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01-22-2021, 06:22 PM | #5 |
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Re: Why the Bard Talent?
Rather than use mundane talents, I replaced BARD with a new talent called MUSICIAN and dumped all the 'sex appeal' elements. In my game, there are at least three paths to a bard-style character using a combination of the talents Anthony has listed along with one or more of the talents MUSICIAN, POET or (another new one) MAGICIAN.
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01-22-2021, 07:17 PM | #6 |
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Re: Why the Bard Talent?
Is that the traditional sleight-of-hand magician, or actual thaumaturgy?
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01-22-2021, 07:29 PM | #7 | |
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Re: Why the Bard Talent?
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For a wizard to call another wizard a magician is a serious insult, however.
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01-22-2021, 10:10 PM | #8 |
Join Date: May 2015
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Re: Why the Bard Talent?
It's not that complicated. Read the definition of the Bard talent. It's just a term for skill in a musical instrument. It can be renamed (e.g. Just list the name of the instrument).
And, you can look at the existing Minstrel and Entertainer job templates, and call one of them Bard if you want, and/or have variations and call them whatever you like. |
01-23-2021, 06:49 AM | #9 |
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Re: Why the Bard Talent?
But there's Mundane Talent: Musical Instrument that costs more than bard (to be an expert) and which confers no reaction bonus.
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01-23-2021, 11:21 PM | #10 |
Join Date: May 2015
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Re: Why the Bard Talent?
Ok. I guess what I wrote above wasn't entirely accurate. The Bard talent also has the "ability to ingratiate" oneself, that seems to extend to same-language verbal communication, as well. They know an instrument AND are an entertainer who also has that kind of social skill.
I take the mundane talent as the one to give people who have instrument skills that don't translate into social reaction effects. You can even take it at a master level, but that doesn't necessarily imply the social skill that comes with Bard. What I meant my main point to be, was that the name of the talent isn't the main point. It's what it represents. The name "Bard" may now be unfortunate given all the other associations the word has taken on since 1980, especially in certain other RPGs. |
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