02-18-2020, 12:36 AM | #1 |
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More TL8-9 weapon ideas
Hello again.
In attempt to evade thread necromancy, I decide to start new one. So. Here is more ideas of TL8-9 ammo. Enhanced APDU rifle rounds. Based on Aeroshell-like technology https://patents.google.com/patent/DE102016121558A1/en with penetrator made of Stakalloy - is the new evolution of DU penetrators from the traditional Staballoy. It replaces the molybdenum content with niobium and vanadium. It is more machinable and may have some other advantageous properties. https://patents.google.com/patent/US6726876B1/en That should get damage close or more than basic TL9 APEP We have a couple options. like self-sharpening "liquid metal" Tungsten, I could see a polycrystalline diamond-tipped liquid metal penetrator having considerable merit. A combination of initial penetrator hardness and sectional density.... Next. Is oversized rifle grenades. The Olin Excelsis is a representation of some hush hush talk regarding a .50 caliber AT rifle grenade. It's a semi-fictional weapon, so we just have estimations of around 1,200mm RHAe penetration and a weight of a few kilos. The Olin Excelsis, in other words, is meant to simulate a type of rifle grenade which has been rumored to exist on the internet, would plausibly have reason to exist, but is otherwise rather classified and hasn't been disclosed to the public. It's Wt about 9 lbs. Third is "Toothpick" 40mm EFP grenades. Very spooky and obscure stuff, probably with very high L/D ratio tantalum penetrator. It deals 200mm of RHA penetration. We can't write off it as impossible but it's hard to find a second source on the matter. Anyways, same technology can be extended to LAWs, rifle grenades and such. Improved version would use DU liner instead of tantalum. |
02-18-2020, 08:00 AM | #2 |
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Re: More TL8-9 weapon ideas
I can’t find references to “Olin Excelsis” or “toothpick” 40mm grenades. Tantalum explosively formed projectiles are conventional enough to make it into Popular Mechanics 4 years ago. 40 mm grande launchers don’t have a terribly long range. You probably want more stand-off distance if you need an EFP to destroy your target.
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02-18-2020, 03:24 PM | #3 | ||
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Re: More TL8-9 weapon ideas
Stakalloy sounds more like something that might make the rounds a bit cheaper (less costs for machining the rounds), or cheaper to make match-grade. The Aeroshell is somewhere between APDU and APDSDU in function (it has something of a discarding sabot, but it discards it on impact rather than upon leaving the barrel), but mechanically is probably indistinguishable from APDU.
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200 mm is around 7.85", or 549.5 points of damage. Considering EFP gets an armor divisor of 2, that implies 8dx10(2) pi; there aren't enough examples in HT to figure out the damage of the linked explosion.
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02-18-2020, 03:47 PM | #4 |
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Re: More TL8-9 weapon ideas
I was on a wiki-walk for less-than-lethal weapons, when I stumbled across the following image:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electr...1_img_2865.jpg (In particular, I was looking for a multi-shot TASER or its equivalent.) A bit of research led to the following link: http://www.jiunan.com.tw/en/defense/stungun-x1.html It's sales material. And any "modular" weapons is going to be less effective than a dedicated one. But this seems like something you would find in the hands of a PC. |
02-18-2020, 06:39 PM | #5 |
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02-18-2020, 09:16 PM | #6 | |
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I came up with the idea independently, but it's one of those *blindingly OBVIOUS* ideas. So I knew somebody had come up with it first. I just hadn't ever heard of it myself. |
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02-18-2020, 11:37 PM | #7 | ||||
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EFP rounds are interesting because they are well-suited to top-attacks and stand-off attacks (as from mines, etc.), not because of their amazing performance. Also, from a 40mm round (or smaller) they start having issues with performance because even modern fuses take up a fair bit of space in such small rounds, so there's not much left for the warhead itself.
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