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 01-20-2019, 08:38 PM #1 CraigR     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Florida Mass and air density if a person were teleported from an area, and teleported in his place was an equivalent mass of air (not volume, MASS), how much outward force would be produced? Would it be like an explosion, or just a really strong breeze? __________________ Craig Roth Facebook Google Profile We Learn By Doing LiveJournal
 01-20-2019, 08:52 PM #2 CraigR     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Florida Re: Mass and air density Okay, so one quick Google search later: a cubic meter of human flesh is 985kg, and a cubic meter of air is 1.293kg. So, packing a human's mass worth of air in a human's shape would produce a pressure of approximately 761.794 atmospheres, or about 11,427 psi. So how would that convert to pounds of TNT, or GURPS damage? __________________ Craig Roth Facebook Google Profile We Learn By Doing LiveJournal
01-20-2019, 09:05 PM   #3
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Re: Mass and air density

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 Originally Posted by CraigR if a person were teleported from an area, and teleported in his place was an equivalent mass of air (not volume, MASS), how much outward force would be produced? Would it be like an explosion, or just a really strong breeze?
It'll be a fairly substantial explosion - compressing the same mass of air into your volume requires about 800 atmospheres of pressure. For a typical mass person the energy release is between a 6d x 6 and 6d x 40 explosion depending on your assumptions about how the gas expands - probably toward the low end, because a sudden release expansion will be a lot closer to adiabatic than isothermal. It'll also throw around a significant amount of cryogenic liquid - for an ideal approximation the final adiabatic expansion temperature comes out to something around 50 K, well below the 90 K liquefaction point of air.... Expect anyone within a few hexes to suffer severe frostbite.

Also assuming the air comes from around wherever the unfortunate victim teleported *to*, he emerges in the middle of a 3 hex radius vacuum. The collapse of that is much less explosive, but probably still inflicts a couple dice of damage in free air. If you emerged inside you'll certainly collapse the room, and quite possibly the building, and may well suffer more injury from the flying debris.
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 01-21-2019, 08:28 AM #4 CraigR     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Florida Re: Mass and air density Awesome! Thank you! __________________ Craig Roth Facebook Google Profile We Learn By Doing LiveJournal
 01-21-2019, 09:12 AM #5 whswhs   Join Date: Jun 2005 Re: Mass and air density Energy is pressure x volume. A pressure of 762 atmospheres is about 76 million joules per cubic meter, and a volume of 56.7 liters (for a 125-pound human) is 0.057 cubic meters. That gives about 4.3 MJ, which is approximately a thousand kcal. I believe that TNT has about 1000 kcal/gram, so that's about a kilogram of TNT, or about 2.2 pounds. __________________ Bill Stoddard A human being should know how to live fast, die young, and leave a beautiful corpse. Specialization is for insects.
 01-21-2019, 09:38 AM #6 malloyd   Join Date: Jun 2006 Re: Mass and air density Another fairly intuitive way of thinking about why this looks like an explosion is to consider that the first stage of a chemical explosive detonating is converting a solid (which is typically around the density of a person) into the same mass of gas occupying the same volume. The explosion products are also hot, which adds energy, but then we don't know how this process compresses the air into the volume of a person, the air might be hot too. You'd certainly expect something in the same general range as you'd get from setting off an explosive around the weight of the teleported object. __________________ -- MA Lloyd
 01-21-2019, 02:33 PM #7 fredtheobviouspseudonym   Join Date: May 2007 Mass and air density IIRC the density of a human with full lungs approximates 10/11th of water. Hence bodies float (if not high enough in the H20 to avoid drowning.)

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