Sex Appeal with more inclusive?

[David Bofinger]

Originally Posted by Rick_Smith

The saving throw verses ST or IQ (which ever was higher), seemed weird to me. (People with high DX can't be sexy?).

I think each potential attractee should have a preference for either high ST, high DX or high IQ, which determines which attribute you roll against. If the GM can't say then determine randomly. The talent should also let you gain information on the attractee's preference by flirting or observation.

[David Bofinger]

Originally Posted by Jim Kane

I believe the sensible thing to do in this case is to use the accepted dictionary definition

I am deeply suspicious of this as a principle of game design.

SEX APPEAL (1). [...] those who find you sexually attractive.

The whole point of the talent that people will find you attractive who wouldn't if you didn't have the talent. This makes it sound like that's independent of the talent.

[JohnPaulB]

Originally Posted by Jim Kane

I believe the sensible thing to do in this case is to use the accepted dictionary definition; which is:

Sex Appeal: (noun) "the quality of being attractive in a sexual way."

SEX APPEAL (1). The quality of being attractive in a sexual way. Gives you a saving roll of 3 dice against your ST or IQ (whichever is higher) against being slain by those who find you sexually attractive. If they have you helpless and you make the saving roll, they win take you away to slavery (from which you may someday escape or be freed) instead of killing you. Also: you may use this talent when negotiating with those who find you sexually attractive. Make the same saving roll as above. If you make it, the GM adds 1 to the reaction die roll for his character. If you fail, the GM subtracts 1 for your clumsiness.
JK

I like the use of the dictionary definition. It handles a whole lot of problems elegantly.

So if you don't have SEX APPEAL talent, you roll 4 dice instead?

What about Critical Success and Critical Failures? I can see that a 4 Success might have them fawning all over the person. A 3 Success might have created a Stalker. A 17 Failure might have them slap the person. An 18 might have the person arrested for indecensy.

What about those around observing this application of Sex Appeal on victim. Might they also not have the SEX APPEAL work on them too? If yes, do those observers get a "savings roll" or equivalent to be affected?

And are there any modifiers for the recipient's viewpoint on Gender?

Does Sex Appeal work on any humanoid type? Can a Human use it on an Elf? An Orc? A Prootwaddle?

Also, I think SEX APPEAL works beyond saving yourself from being killed or negotiations. It could be used as a psychological manipulation, an aid in thieving and probably knowledge of how to make others more sexually appealing. It's an attitude thing.

[hcobb]

My preference would be to rewrite to:

Entice (1): Ability to charm, seduce, or influence members of similar races.

And remove all the text below about "opposite sex".

[madhopper50]

Why rewrite the base rules. Each player just does their own house rule for what they like. What's next? Human Privilege vs ORCs/Elves/Hobbits?

[whswhs]

I'm not sure why this is problematic. I mean, I'm male; for me, "those attracted to your sex" would include straight women, gay men, and bisexuals of both sexes. That doesn't say that I would be attracted to THEM, of course; that's a different issue. Nor does it say that any of them would be attracted to me in particular.

But on the other hand, if I had the skill of Sex Appeal, and tried to use it on a lesbian, it would be a pretty automatic failure, which is why the language about "those attracted to your sex" is there.

[hcobb]

What happens when you combine Sex Appeal with Disguise, Glamour or Shapeshift?

[larsdangly]

I don't know, but it sounds like a pretty fun friday night for the right character.

[rosignol]

Originally Posted by hcobb

What happens when you combine Sex Appeal with Disguise, Glamour or Shapeshift?

There are some Norse eddas that pretty much describe this scenario, all of the ones that come immediately to mind are about Loki.

[whswhs]

Originally Posted by rosignol

There are some Norse eddas that pretty much describe this scenario, all of the ones that come immediately to mind are about Loki.

Yes, that's how Loki became pregnant, early in his career.