07-01-2011, 12:25 PM | #31 | |
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07-01-2011, 01:20 PM | #32 |
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Re: Seraphim and Profanity
And depending on how tight or loose you want to be, translations of names could be acceptable as well. If an angel's true name is the equivalent of Petros/Peter, calling yourself "Rocky" might be just fine.
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07-02-2011, 04:21 AM | #34 | |
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What you're saying is that you would find it wrong -- possibly even dissonant -- for a Seraph to even deliberately leave an incorrect impression with his words. This is the theoretical Seraph ideal -- certainly God doesn't go around leaving false impressions, or so most would believe. It is also the Dissonance Condition of the angels of Revelation, so clearly at least one Archangel Seraph agrees with you as a practical matter, and probably Dominic would like to. Michael, on the other hand, emphatically does not. It's generally held, though, that Michael's Seraphim are on average far more comfortable operating in the muddy Truths of Earth than Dominic's or Litheroy's. Most other Choirs consider half-truths and misimpressions to be part of the compromises Seraphim have to make on Earth, like a Malakite biting back his anger at one evil when chasing another, or a Cherub having to let his charge wander around blissfully unaware of every danger under the sun. |
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07-02-2011, 07:45 AM | #35 |
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Re: Seraphim and Profanity
Here is my thought on it all...
If a Seraph wants absolute, perfect truth...stay in Heaven. Earth, and the very nature of man, make such absolutes impossible. The fact that a Seraph has to take on a ROLE when on earth? In my mind a Role is a mask an angel uses when here, by it's very nature deceitful. If a Seraph is going to be on Earth, he is going to have to accept that they are practicing some sort of deceit. But he accepts it because it is for the greater good, and he doesn't get dinged for it because it is the Symphony's dictate that is needs to be done. So, I would venture to say that Seraphs understand that profanity is a metaphor used to express frustration an similar emotions. It is not taken at face value by people, it is understood to be a means of emphasizing something. Many times the profanity isn't even taken to be a part of the sentence. Whether he chooses to use it is entirely up to him. If he doesn't then it's something his Role chooses not to do for whatever reason. It becomes one of the quirks of his mask that he is known for. |
07-02-2011, 09:55 AM | #36 | |
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Most swearing is either nominal blasphemy(when someone says d___it he usually does not want the object spoken of sent to eternal perdition), or degradation of physical functions. An angel would not blaspheme nominally or otherwise. He would not use the F-word as he would have a healthy, neither ascetic nor libertine, respect for a process designed to allow Godly couples to enjoy pleasure together and bring up children to be raised in love, in a Godly family. The F-word is a vulgarity that implies that the process must needs be dirty and isn't a turn-on if one doesn't think it dirty. An angel would not say SoB because someone who is the son of a wanton woman would attract the angels pity not contempt. An angel would not use swear words based on biological waste because an angel would have no need to be interested in it, unless the human under the angels care had an embarrassing health issue, in which case the angel would of course care that he is suffering. And an angel would not have disorderly emotions so it would have no motive to swear. Profanity is a reflection of being a fallen human. A hypothetically pristine human would have his emotions in order and his spiritual function would get along with his biological so he would not find biology awkward. A fallen angel would have no motive to use any profanity but blasphemy(unless he was deliberately trying to make himself unpleasant to humans) and those would be real blasphemies not figurative ones. A non-fallen angel would not blaspheme at all. And again it's interest in biology would be intellectual interest, glorying in God's creation, and protective sympathy for the humans under it's charge. An angel would not have to deal with the awkwardness of being both a spirit and an animal. So it would have no reason to swear.
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07-02-2011, 10:29 AM | #37 | |
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One stereotype floating around of Seraphim is that of the uptight pedant, and those who only have proficiency in academic English are likely to behave that way. But the same motives and personality traits will lead a Seraph educated in a different dialect to something like the "honest member of the lower classes" stereotype - one apt to blurt out "bull****!" whenever the shoe fits (another bit of metaphorical language I suspect to be a Seraphic favorite.) Last edited by Archangel Beth; 07-03-2011 at 10:40 PM. Reason: Fixing the profanity filter by hand. |
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07-02-2011, 11:14 AM | #38 | |
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07-02-2011, 03:03 PM | #39 |
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Jordi's lot might say it, but it would be a statement of fact about a canine. Or, possibly, a respectful term for Mowgli (and any actual wild children), though "stepson" would be more accurate.
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07-02-2011, 05:36 PM | #40 |
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A couple of thoughts...
Profanity: In Quebecois French (not Parisian or Provencial French), many of the swear words are based on elements of the Catholic Mass. Would a Seraph use them? Names: You can call me Rob. I call me Rob. However, my name is Robert. Would a Seraph make the distinction?
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