12-01-2012, 01:12 PM | #11 | |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
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Because it is just a video meant to attract attention, I am not treating it as harshly as I would someone who made claims in writing and insisted that they were scientific or historical fact. I am actually impressed that you can do this in GURPS! I think that our source for rapid shooting is a test for Mamelukes which required them to shoot three arrows at 70 m range so that the third was in the air before the first hit the target. Given range and velocity one can estimate time. But I doubt that they let Mamelukes cheat with light bows and very short draws.
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12-01-2012, 02:25 PM | #12 |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
It is certain to impress the ladies. GURPS would cover all that with a Combat Art skill and be done. There is little that would be useful in a fight. The bow was underpowered, he never used a full draw, and the arrows were too light - his shots would barely deliver a single point of damage with the GURPS system. Those arrows might annoy someone who was naked and standing right in front of the shooter, but they'd bounce off a jacket or denim jeans (DR 0 clothing).
Look at the mail shot again. He seems to have chosen links that were very large and an arrowhead that was very small. He would have kept shooting until a fluke arrow found one of the gaps in the mesh and didn't bounce off a link. We only saw that one shot, not all the others. In any case, extant mail doesn't have gaps large enough for any kind of war arrow to pass through without touching a link. The arrow would have to physically break at least one link to gain useful penetration. I'd love to see close-up slow-motion footage of how he grabs the arrow and nocks so quickly. It is pretty cool to watch.
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12-02-2012, 02:35 PM | #13 | |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
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More realistically, probably, do the same thing but replace the skill with Bow Art or Bow Sport. |
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12-02-2012, 04:26 PM | #14 |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
Nevertheless, I'd rather not be the target of such shots.
They seems scary as much as kicks or baton swings, at least. So, they do seem real attacks to me!
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12-02-2012, 06:30 PM | #15 |
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Re: Do the Archery rules cover this?
They would hurt. So does getting slapped in the face or a splinter in your hand from a piece of wood. However, they would not deliver a point of damage in GURPS.
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12-03-2012, 03:21 PM | #16 |
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Bow - 3 shots in less than 2 turns - In real life.
Here is a video showing a modern day archer from Denmark shooting 3 shots and hitting in less than 2 seconds. He has been studying old archery books and "re-discovering" lost techniques for archers.
1. Does this some how wreck the current Gurps Bow skill(s)? 2. How do replicate this with current set of rules from all book available? 3. Does his skill level acquire WM Bow? If so why? If not why?
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12-03-2012, 03:26 PM | #17 |
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Re: Bow - 3 shots in less than 2 turns - In real life.
It's a Technique based on Rapid Strike, with a greatly reduced Dmg and Range in exchange for allowing double the RoF achievable with Fast-Draw and Quick-Shooting Bows.
It's not Weapon Master, because the arrows are not penetrating anywhere near twice as well, which is what would result from giving a +2 bonus to damage to a realistic bow.
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12-03-2012, 03:27 PM | #18 |
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Re: Bow - 3 shots in less than 2 turns - In real life.
That's quite possible with the quick-shooting bows rules in Martial Arts. Does not require weapon master, does not require anything fancy. Accuracy at range is crap :)
EDIT: I'd say the technique is rapid shooting + the dual shooting technique + damage/range penalty to offset skill penalty, plus training in the technique and taking an All Out Attack. This is not a battlefield technique, this is a shooting-range technique.
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What it probably does require (assuming we can't create new rules) is Heroic Archer.
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Arguably, though, based on his stance and release point, the archer is using "practical" or "primitive" archery techniques used by bow hunters since prehistoric dimes. In game terms, Bow skill. The very stiff, controlled stances used by Olympic archers to get impressive accuracy at long ranges are a good example of Bow Sport + Aiming + AoA. Not surprisingly, target archers beat the snot out of primitive archers at target archery, while primitive archers bag more game because they're used to shooting moving targets. |
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